Jianzhou shouldn't be a horde
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Well they did fight like the hordes though and the manchu state did also behave like one. It fits fine as it is. The farmers are shown in the bigger dev of those provinces compared to mongolia.
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As well as starting with feudalism and being a chinese trib
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Well, not all, and most of them are hordes, the chinese did not fight like that, the southern asians also did not the nothern and central ones where hordes, or close to what eu IV shows them at.
They really shouldn't be a horde. This actually kind of hurts them in the beginning because of how a lot of Manchuria is not flat terrain. They should have their own government type and, if not, should be a tribal federation (along with Haixi).
Manchu formable exists and can give them horde government so they can take on the Mongols and Ming.
Manchu formable exists and can give them horde government so they can take on the Mongols and Ming.
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The forming of large-scale Chinese cavalry force is related to the tactics of nomads, aka 胡服骑射. During the wars against steppe hordes, the Chinese kept adapting their tactics as well as those from Central Aisa.
I would say there should be some sort of special government type, but horde is the best gameplay-wise since it buffs both Manchu armies as well as reduces core costs of many costly Chinese provinces via raiding. It helps a potential Qing keep up with everyone else while conquering masses of territory.
Tribal Federation would also probably be a good choice.
Either way, them being a Horde is incredibly good for a player and incredibly terrible in the hand of the AI.