So people can post in it.
As for Jews I really like xxzakqx or something's (please make memorable, pronouncable names, people!) trade guild idea. It would add some interesting mechanics and wouldn't solely be focused on Jews.
Jews in CK2
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As for Jews I really like xxzakqx or something's (please make memorable, pronouncable names, people!) trade guild idea. It would add some interesting mechanics and wouldn't solely be focused on Jews.
We only really have one medieval Jewish state to go off (we don't have enough information about Beta Israel.)
Judaism is not a religion based on war like Islam or proselytizing like Christianity but the only medieval Jewish Kingdom we have to go off acted like all the other Steppe confederations. I would represent Judaism with flavour events and an event chain for a powerful Jewish ruler to take back Israel.
Just gonna drop in here to ask everyone to steer away from the "islam is based on war" commentary, as we all know thats just gonna get the thread closed.
That's the kind of things that could be done, but IMO, as I already said, would result in a massive backlash against Paradox accused of introducing antisemitism in its game. And it would change almost nothing to the game, so it's not really worth the hassle, IMO.
We also don't have Varegue (english spelling???) traders in Russia, for instance, either. Or probably any number of things people could think about. And given that Jews are a particularly sensitive issue.....
Don't forget, we're talking about gameplay mechanics here. Keep it related to CK2, so something of purpose may be achieved in here.
I think you need to learn the history of how the Sikhs came about.
You have to be American or British. Only there there the Scottish/Irish "travellers", who are indeed a completely different group is mixed up with them. Especially since there are no equivalent non-Romani population in continental Europe. Also, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that those Irish/Scottish travellers appeared on the scene much later and I'm not sure they would even exist during the time period covered by CK 2.
For the record, I deliberatly did not use the term "Romani" because even thoug it's the recognized PC term in the USA, it's use isn't agreed to by everybody (I mean within this community) and because it's confusing. Mostly because it normally refered only to a sub-group (basically those living/coming from Central Europe) while there are several other sub-groups (Gitanos in Spain/Southern france, Sintis and Manouches in Northern France/Germany, etc....).
Well, no matter how we wall them, I've nothing against adding new stuff. I'm just saying that minor population groups like that who had no history of leading major changes in Europe don't fit well with the game style, which is about conquest and dynastic inheritances, not about societal micro managing. And that turning them into warmonguering/conquering hordes or something like that would make about as much sense as the Aztec DLC.
When did they even *try* to conquer Jerusalem? How would have they gathered the ressources/power to do so, being dispersed all around the world. Yes, I'm firmly opposed to make Jews into some kind of ahistorical military conquerors, be it only of Jerusalem. And for them having been important, they were in a way that is covered only abstractly in the game. You could have a Jewish courtier holding a major position (say, chancellor) in a muslim kingdom. A Jewish philosopher/doctor could have some technology points. But what would it change to the game, apart from having the word "Jew" occasionnally popping here and there in the game?
There are undeniably good ideas in your post. But I still see what you propose as 1) insufficient to base a DLC on this 2)Opening Paradox to antisemitism attacks ("In this company's game, Jews are money makers whom you can persecute")
This is actually something to wonder about. I would have to agree that Jews should be represented somehow. Perhaps add them into the next DLC which seems to be pointed towards "Lowborn/Theocracy".
The Sikhs came about as a fusion of Hinduism and Islam by some one who believed that people shouldn't kill each other over what they believed. If you knew more about the Sikhs you'd know that they defended just as many Muslims from Hindu persecution as they did Hindus from Muslim.
If you going to judge a religion based on the past of people who followed it, it's worth noting the Christianity, Judaism, Shintoism, Even Buddhism, are 'warlike'.
Now if you would kindly stay on topic, we might be able to continue having a reasonable discussion about the potential for a Jewish Religion in Crusader Kings 2.
Because I am surprised it has not been closed yet. These Jewish threads seem to come up once a month and are usually closed quite quickly.
Mods can choose to delete incendiary posts (ahem, as is mentioned oh about 2 posts above your last post) and let the thread creak on.
The other threads were closed because of off-topic discussions, not because they were simply "Jewish threads".
I see, I see.
I like the quotations you used by the way. I am rather indifferent towards this whole topic. Put them in, don't. It doesn't really matter to me. Maybe if they do put them in, we can stop seeing this topic posted every month.
I feel the same way, but if I had to choose, I would like to see them added just to add another dimension to the game.
The funny thing is, This thread wouldn't have been alive so long if it weren't for all the people commenting about how this comes up all the time and their tired of seeing it.