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Creating Jerusalem would be an exploit if you already have a king title and enough money. Create it gives you 4000 prestige & 2000 piety if I remember correctly. Destroying it costs 400 prestige. Just repeat creating & destroying the title would grant you loads of prestige & piety, as long as you have the money to do so. Is it WAD or some exploit though I can't tell.

I found this out in my last 1.07b game as King of Greece, vassal to the ERE. Jerusalem only have 7 de jure counties left when I capture it, so I hold them all and thought I would have the duchy of Galilee drift to Greece and let the duchy of Jerusalem stays in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. At first Galilee didn't drift, didn't know why coz I hold all counties there, so I thought maybe the kingdom title was the problem, so I destroyed the title. And immediately I found out I could create it again and nest those 4000 prestige & 2000 piety again. I know there's a maximum in relationship boost with prestige & piety, but it gives newborns in your dynasty more prestige when born if you have high prestige yourself rite? So it's a, well, kinda cheating way to do so.

Have some question about de jure drift that hope someone would clarify for me plz. In the above situation, I finally found that Galilee don't drift due to the duchy title was being held by someone in Arabia. Usurp and destroy it and it worked then. So I create the Kingdom of Jerusalem again after seeing the drift was in progress. Then a year later, it drifts backward again, and I don't understand why. The duchy title of Galilee is destroyed, and in the county holding screens they all said they are under Greece. (the shield on the top left show the county, then on the top right it shows Greece and ERE) Why does it drift backward then?? I thought as long as they are shown under Greece in the county screen, it would drift to Greece. Would someone plz clarify this for me?
 

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If you hold the dejure kingdom where Galilee is (Jerusalem), it will not drift. So the solution here is to destroy Jerusalem.

And for the creation exploit, still haven't got any idea. Maybe the easiest way is to reverse the reward (-4k prestige and -2k piety) for self-initiated destruction.
 

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Yes I'd consider it to be an exploit. It has been reported in the bug reports a few times.

De jure drift of duchys from one kingdom to another requires that all titles in that duchy are controlled by the drifting king, this includes the duchy title. Destroyed duchy title counts as controlling.

You can not drift a duchy from a kingdom, if you hold the kingdom title.
 

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If you hold the dejure kingdom where Galilee is (Jerusalem), it will not drift. So the solution here is to destroy Jerusalem.

You can not drift a duchy from a kingdom, if you hold the kingdom title.

If you hold Jerusalem (Kingdom) in addition to the Imperial title, and have another vassal (say Despot of Greece) and HE holds all titles within Galilee, then the latter will drift towards Greece.
 

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Thanks for the input everyone, so I can't hold Despot of Jerusalem if I want Galilee drift then *sign* which means I can't have duchy of Jerusalem stays in Kingdom of Jerusalem too :sad:

If you hold Jerusalem (Kingdom) in addition to the Imperial title, and have another vassal (say Despot of Greece) and HE holds all titles within Galilee, then the latter will drift towards Greece.

I don't have an imperial title yet, so this doesn't work for me. And I'm not sure if I wanna get ERE under my belt. Pretty happy as it is now, as I'm the most powerful person in the empire, even my liege the emperor tries to get on my good side (or he doesn't get his levies) :p
 

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I don't have an imperial title yet, so this doesn't work for me. And I'm not sure if I wanna get ERE under my belt. Pretty happy as it is now, as I'm the most powerful person in the empire, even my liege the emperor tries to get on my good side (or he doesn't get his levies) :p

Apologies, thought you were the EREmperor.

To get Galilee to drift and Jerusalem to stay as a Despot vassal of the ERE all you need do is hold Galilee yourself (without the Kingdom of Jerusalem) and then give the rest to the EREmperor. You'll lose the three Counties of course, but them's the breaks.
 

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Do non-Christians get the same prestige and piety gains from creating the Kingdom of Jerusalem? If not & they get the regular Kingdom creation bonuses it's a bug.
 

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Do non-Christians get the same prestige and piety gains from creating the Kingdom of Jerusalem? If not & they get the regular Kingdom creation bonuses it's a bug.

How on earth does the latter follow from the former?

but it gives newborns in your dynasty more prestige when born if you have high prestige yourself rite?

No, your kids get one tenth of the combined DYNASTY PRESTIGE of both parents (or 1/20th from each as some will insist it be called...). The one affected by how many titles you and all your kin has held.
 

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No, your kids get one tenth of the combined DYNASTY PRESTIGE of both parents (or 1/20th from each as some will insist it be called...). The one affected by how many titles you and all your kin has held.

Actually I don't quite get how dynasty prestige is calculated. Is it a percentage of the score added to it after a character dies?
 

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Actually I don't quite get how dynasty prestige is calculated. Is it a percentage of the score added to it after a character dies?

No, each title (edit: landed title, not Steward or High Almoner or the like) held by each member of the dynasty at the time of death is added together.

The points are like so:
Barony 1
County 5
Duchy 10
Kingdom 20
Empire 40

So if you hold an empire, two titular kingdoms, two duchies and 6 counties you would add 130 to the dynasty score at death.

Edit: titles that are given away before death do not count, nor do titles that are usurped or destroyed.
 

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No, each title (edit: landed title, not Steward or High Almoner or the like) held by each member of the dynasty at the time of death is added together.

The points are like so:
Barony 1
County 5
Duchy 10
Kingdom 20
Empire 40

So if you hold an empire, two titular kingdoms, two duchies and 6 counties you would add 130 to the dynasty score at death.

Edit: titles that are given away before death do not count, nor do titles that are usurped or destroyed.

Thanks for the answer. I was thinking it was the score, so I tried to get as much score as possible with each reigning character. Now I know what to do now: get all titles of the world under my dynasty! :cool:
 

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Thanks for the answer. I was thinking it was the score, so I tried to get as much score as possible with each reigning character. Now I know what to do now: get all titles of the world under my dynasty! :cool:

That's the way to do it :p This is of course the reason for titular kingdoms being the awesomest awesomeness in the history of awesome things.
 

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I actually do think prestige should count for something when calculating dynastic prestige (like it used to) say at the time of your death you prestige/20 is added to dynastic prestige.


Not really a problem if your going to exploit this then why even go through the trouble of creating KoJ? There is cheats to let you get prestige/piety without wasting gold.

hit `
type in prestige 999999999999
hit enter
viola your have super high prestige.