Japan's Air Force Tree

[Daelyn75]

Are we making a mod here? I though we're petitioning for changing the names and pictures used in vanilla.

No. What would make you think that? You want to limit single engine planes for the CAS role. I really disagree with that, and I presented my reasoning for that type of aircraft, and others not to place the emphasis on a number of engine type aircraft.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

No. What would make you think that? You want to limit single engine planes for the CAS role. I really disagree with that, and I presented my reasoning for that type of aircraft, and others not to place the emphasis on a number of engine type aircraft.

Okay then.

 

[Admiral Piett]

I'd suggest we shove the Ki-102 Otsu to the CAS Line to the 1944 slot (since it was a ground attack aircraft) and replace it's heavy fighter slot with the Ki-83 Fighter.

I was really thinking about this actually. In game, that would mean moving the generic "Ki-102" label to 1944 CAS and the Ki-83 being added to 1944 heavy fighter. It isn't TECHNICALLY correct, because not all Ki-102s were CAS, but it is clear that Paradox doesn't want sub-variants on the tree. Most people wouldn't even know not all Ki-102s were CAS, and plane nerds like us would just have the otsu in mind. I know they have the "G3M1" as the 1936 carrier-based attack aircraft currently, but I think that is the result of them literally trying to do the impossible (finding only single-engine, land-based naval bombers) and discovering they don't have enough names for their carrier variants, because they already tied them to land-only.

As for replacing the Ki-32 with the Ki-48, I would be fine with it though, for the sake of possibility, I want to minimise the amount of new artwork required if the changes were made. Ki-32 is an acceptable choice for the 1936 slot. I really like the Ki-51 in the 1940 slot (beautiful plane that saw a lot of use). Both are already on the tree. My personal view is that I don't want to change what works, just what is objectively wrong. i.e. The travesty that is the current naval bomber line.

 

[Daelyn75]

Okay then.

Well actually. If the devs gum it all up with silly aircraft choices, I will either mod in what I believe the best aircraft is based on much of the information and discussion on this thread, or choose one that makes better choices than the vanilla.

 

[Daelyn75]

I was really thinking about this actually. In game, that would mean moving the generic "Ki-102" label to 1944 CAS and the Ki-83 being added to 1944 heavy fighter. It isn't TECHNICALLY correct, because not all Ki-102s were CAS, but it is clear that Paradox doesn't want sub-variants on the tree. Most people wouldn't even know not all Ki-102s were CAS, and plane nerds like us would just have the otsu in mind. I know they have the "G3M1" as the 1936 carrier-based attack aircraft currently, but I think that is the result of them literally trying to do the impossible (finding only single-engine, land-based naval bombers) and discovering they don't have enough names for their carrier variants, because they already tied them to land-only.

As for replacing the Ki-32 with the Ki-48, I would be fine with it though, for the sake of possibility, I want to minimise the amount of new artwork required if the changes were made. Ki-32 is an acceptable choice for the 1936 slot. I really like the Ki-51 in the 1940 slot (beautiful plane that saw a lot of use). Both are already on the tree. My personal view is that I don't want to change what works, just what is objectively wrong. i.e. The travesty that is the current naval bomber line.

I completely changed my last response to you, and wrote in after thinking about it the Ki-30 or Ki-32 for the 1936 CAS, or the Ki-48 or Ki-51 for the 1940 CAS slot. I think the Ki-71, unless there is a better candidate for 44 CAS, but I personally would not want to put in a fighter bomber into that role if it can be helped. Because then you guys were off looking for a heavy fighter for the 1944 role. If you can keep that heavy fighter there, which is a fighter/bomber type of role anyway, then I think the 44 CAS should be the Ki-71.

 

[Admiral Piett]

I'm still open to other views. I will wait for others to weigh in. With my current tree, here is how much new art would be required:

Ki-10
Ki-48 (or whatever else we decide on)
Ki-96
Ki-83 (depending on if the Ki-102 went to 1944 CAS)
Ki-67
Ki-20
G5N

Everything else is just shuffling things around or changing the names.

 

[Dai2]

Nobody thought of the Ki 43 -III that had 2 250 kg bombs? I mean I know its a fighter, but it was widely used in cas role.

 

[Orlunu]

Nobody thought of the Ki 43 -III that had 2 250 kg bombs? I mean I know its a fighter, but it was widely used in cas role.

Ki-43 was commonly used poorly in the CAS role. It could do it, all of their fighters could, just like many other nations' fighters could, but it wasn't nearly a specialised CAS craft.

 

[Elouda]

Only the later, Ki-43-II versions of the Ki-43 were capable of carrying the 2x250kg loadout, and it was a lot of bomb for such a light aircraft.

 

[Orlunu]

Only the later, Ki-43-II versions of the Ki-43 were capable of carrying the 2x250kg loadout, and it was a lot of bomb for such a light aircraft.

It was, yes. What is your point? It was not primarily a CAS aircraft. It was not as good at CAS as specialised aircraft. A fighter-bomber, yeah, sure, but that's not what's being looked for.

 

[Elouda]

Point was that its a very poor choice for the CAS line (akin to using the P-40 in that line), and its already elsewhere in the plane tree. It was in response to the post above yours.

 

[Dai2]

the thing is, the japanese army never mass produced a real CAS plane... And , to me, the ki 43 II is the closest candidate to a ground attack plane.

 

[Orlunu]

Point was that its a very poor choice for the CAS line (akin to using the P-40 in that line), and its already elsewhere in the plane tree. It was in response to the post above yours.

Well, that makes a lot of sense, thanks. I was being really dense when I read your post.

the thing is, the japanese army never mass produced a real CAS plane...

Are you still in Pravda? (Am I still in Pravda?) Because I may have to go and find the 'kick from clan' button.

 

[Dai2]

wait It is THE orlunu?
Nah, pravda was dying hard, I ejected hard , you wont need to find the kick from clan button
How are your kanmusus oing? (how are mine?)
Small world, huh?

 

[Orlunu]

wait It is THE orlunu?
Nah, pravda was dying hard, I ejected hard , you wont need to find the kick from clan button
How are your kanmusus oing? (how are mine?)
Small world, huh?

I hate it when people jump before I can push them. D:

My kanmusus are kawaii as ever. Small world indeed, I recognise several people in this thread from other games. Nothing quite like that to tell you that you've got an obsession.