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watching www part 1 or 2 with Johan and Munthe. By the year of 1937, Johan's UK and Munthe's Germany already have around 50 or 60 factories in their own country. Now talking about Japan, yes I know everyone saying that Japanese didnt have strong industrial capacity like UK and Germany. But with the initial set up for Japan, I am not even sure if I can increase Japanese factories to 30 by 1937 not to mention 40 or 50 factories.
 

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Japan can easily increase their industrial might...all they have to do is conquer China.
 

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watching www part 1 or 2 with Johan and Munthe. By the year of 1937, Johan's UK and Munthe's Germany already have around 50 or 60 factories in their own country. Now talking about Japan, yes I know everyone saying that Japanese didnt have strong industrial capacity like UK and Germany. But with the initial set up for Japan, I am not even sure if I can increase Japanese factories to 30 by 1937 not to mention 40 or 50 factories.
world war wednesday (the multiplayer campaing) was done on an months old unbalanced built. Factories became much more expensive since then and the factory capacity is no longer bound to state population but rather to state type aswell. Japan will be able to increase their numbers of factories by conquering china. Nations buying resources from them alos help them building up their industry.
Besides that you have the Industrial Effort national focuses of course, which alos grant additional factories and slots.
 

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in www i saw Mongolia's units witch were very weak and most of them were cavalery based so you just declare war and make short work of some Mongolian factories
 

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in www i saw Mongolia's units witch were very weak and most of them were cavalery based so you just declare war and make short work of some Mongolian factories
USSR is guarantor for Mongolia as US is the guarantor for Philippine. Maybe I will stage a coup but definitely not trying to poke the sleeping bear :)
 
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Daniel is experiencing a big road block that the japanese historically did - the war with china is (currently in his case, permanently historically) doing more harm than it is doing good. he has all his civilian factories working on repairing and building infrastructure instead of building more factories or building synthetic oil factories.

Even if he ends the war with china, he still wont be gaining the full benefits of the land he conquered until he can invest in enough equipment, training and manpower for military police.

China will be a benefit to him in the long run, once he has it conquered and secured and can begin his build up towards the pacific war proper, but right now he isn't building up at all, so its quite easy to be unimpressed with the japanese build up. I believe china has combined some 16 factories left from when daniel checked (China has 8 and the peoples republic has 8, if i recall correctly, might be wrong) which will be a significant benefit if daniel gets to take them though. thats a huge increase to his overall factory count, once he can harness them that is.

i wonder if china is harder or easier to conquer if you wait a year into 1937 before starting the invasion
 
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I doubt that will result in conflict because in 36 comitern was pretty weak and Da9l made a pact with Germany for self-defense and AI will consider this factor if it's well balanced ,the rusians were not redy for a 2 front war in 36 theats my opinion
 

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I think the problem with Japanese industry buildup is resources more than actual capacity to build up. You should be able to have some decent industrial output if not quite the level of the UK, problem is you need to expand to have the resources to make it viable.
 
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I doubt that will result in conflict because in 36 comitern was pretty weak and Da9l made a pact with Germany for self-defense and AI will consider this factor if it's well balanced ,the rusians were not redy for a 2 front war in 36 theats my opinion
The Anti-Comintern Pact isn't a faction. Japan can't invade other countries and call Germany into the war, because it is not allied with Germany at that stage.

As to Soviet readiness, it didn't seem to affect them at Khalkin Gol, which of course is in Mongolia.

The Japanese thought they would just be facing Mongolian cavalry, but found to their cost that the Soviets were more than capable of deploying a mechanised corps with air support, even though the battlefield was 700km from the nearest railhead. IIRC the Soviets used more trucks to supply their forces than the whole Kwantung Army had.
 
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Even if he ends the war with china, he still wont be gaining the full benefits of the land he conquered until he can invest in enough equipment, training and manpower for military police.

From what I understood, you only have resistance and need military police while you're still at war. If he conquer China he will get full access to everything in it. Only if a major were to join China's side, then even after China capitulated the war would still be ongoing, so there would still be resistance on China's territory.
 

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From what I understood, you only have resistance and need military police while you're still at war. If he conquer China he will get full access to everything in it. Only if a major were to join China's side, then even after China capitulated the war would still be ongoing, so there would still be resistance on China's territory.
I believe what he is saying is that even if Japan conquer entire China, most of factory would be destroyed during the war. So there is no benefit in conquer a country with all destroyed factories unless you want to invest time and resources to repair them to benefit you.
 

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I doubt that will result in conflict because in 36 comitern was pretty weak and Da9l made a pact with Germany for self-defense and AI will consider this factor if it's well balanced ,the rusians were not redy for a 2 front war in 36 theats my opinion
Its an defensive pact. If you attack mongolia you are actively attacking the commintern, which mongolia is part of. That is an open declaration of war to the soviet union and thus the defensive pact doesnt work.
 
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There is no defensive pact. The A-C Pact is purely symbolic.

You are right if Germany guarantees Japan and Japan is attacked. But Germany doesn't guarantee Japan unless it joins the Axis.

In that case, Japan can attack Mongolia (and therefore Soviet Union), and can try to call Germany into the war.

Germany can make a few noises, some sabre rattling but then admit to a Soviet spy that they have absolutely no intention to attack the Soviets, then sign a non-aggression pact with them. ;)