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Glad to see the voters settled on Japan! For once, it appears that my vote seems to have counted for something.

Good luck with Otomo. I'm unfamiliar with EU IV (Wanted to finish up my last few CK II games before I got into it), but it looks like you've got a cracker of a game going on.
 

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You made it past what I considered the first major crisis, but have another one looming. I'm not too sure of things here, but I agree that trying to unite Japan is probably the best move.
 

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Lightning strikes boldly
The hawk swoops on the sparrows
Sharp swords for talons​

Am I the lightning or the hawk, or some sort of lightning hawk hybrid?

Well you've knocked Japan down a few pegs. Too bad Otomo has risen up as the new competitor.

I wish I could help you with the Japan dilemma, but I don't know enough about how Japan works in-game.

No worries; just glad to have you along!

As far as I know, annexing a nation that has vassals and/or personal unions will result in you becoming the new overlord of said vassals and/or unions since one of the newer patches. I have no idea if it's the same with Japan.

My question is whether it's even possible -- although I guess the only way to find out is to try?

The War for the Emperor CB is a bit of a funny one. I have a feeling you may have been able to become Japan at 100% warscore if you'd pushed it. At this point you should be able to annex Japan using the same CB and its vassals will flip to you once you change to Japan.

I definitely could not have done when I had the war last time -- Japan was too big and I couldn't click the "annex" option. As an OPM, now, that's different.

I think I would try to unify all of Japan. Should make you more powerful than them.

Agree with others on going for Japan if you can, before Otomo does :eek:

The question isn't one of priority, but rather of possibility. :)

ATTACK! Make those silly Otomoians(i hope) pay for the horrible crime of trying to unite Japan!
...
:D

For a moment there, I thought you were actually advocating a DoW on the Ottomans :confused:

I thought so too!

I agree with everyone else in uniting Japan. If Otomo did it you could get bit in the *generic word for ___* in the future.

Very possible!

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Yep.

:D

I must say that the things I like the best about EUIV is that loans and mercs are much more useful. Two elements of gameplay I hadn't really touched since EUII

I say let Otomo form Japan, give them a sporting chance. Much more fun to be the underdog. Besides, if things go too smoothly, what are you going to do until exploration comes about, prosper peacefully? Hah!

I do love mercs and loans, agreed on that.

I like how you're giving me bad advice on purpose. :p

Not sure what the best strategy is, although I'm wondering what the point of the War for the Emperor CB is if you don't become emperor. Unless that's an option if you get a certain war-score.

I would say fight with Otomo, try and bring them down a little bit so you don't have to worry about them in the future. But anyways, you're doing pretty good, hope you can become emperor!

There's a lot of merit in that suggestion!

Glad to see the voters settled on Japan! For once, it appears that my vote seems to have counted for something.

Good luck with Otomo. I'm unfamiliar with EU IV (Wanted to finish up my last few CK II games before I got into it), but it looks like you've got a cracker of a game going on.

Welcome aboard!

You made it past what I considered the first major crisis, but have another one looming. I'm not too sure of things here, but I agree that trying to unite Japan is probably the best move.

Agreed.

So, I think I'll try to play some tonight or tomorrow. I'll try going after Japan as an OPM, but if I can't actually do anything (as in, can't annex), I reserve the right to reload, since nobody seems to know how it ought to work out. :)
 

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Haiku is like a frog. If you start dissecting it, it becomes a chore for everyone, and the subject dies.
 

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fair enough

Just caught up now, haven't played in Japan much and it looks like I'm missing out on a very exciting start to the game!

Exciting is one word for it!

Haiku is like a frog. If you start dissecting it, it becomes a chore for everyone, and the subject dies.

You can't dissect something unless it's already dead.

Omgz! is that an original work or can google just not find it?

Probably original. Davout is crazy like that.

So, didn't get a chance to do any EUIV last night and won't get a chance to do it tonight, so I'll be tackling it tomorrow (that is, Wednesday) night. I think.
 

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Omgz! is that an original work or can google just not find it?

I think it is modeled on E. B. White's phrase: "Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it."
Which incidentally is an awesome phrase that more people should know.


Edit: Upon doing a quick Google search as to the source of that phrase I found that White said: "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind." The above is a sourceless paraphrase, apparently.
 

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I think it is modeled on E. B. White's phrase: "Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it."
Which incidentally is an awesome phrase that more people should know.


Edit: Upon doing a quick Google search as to the source of that phrase I found that White said: "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind." The above is a sourceless paraphrase, apparently.

I hope we all learned something. Most importantly, that people get vivisection (cutting into something which is living) with dissection (cutting into something which is dead) confused entirely too often.

So, I played for quite a bit over the last day or so, and I'll have at least one update for you in the coming days. (Possibly tomorrow.) While you're contemplating that, there is one question I had. In my very first AAR, the EUIII AAR I did about Novgorod->Russia, I included specific dates for everything. I haven't been doing that in this AAR, but I wanted to see if anybody felt strongly about chronology (at least in the context of this AAR).
 

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If you could put dates in the pictures, that would be fine.
 

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No opinion one way or the other. Just make sure it doesn't read like a checklist :)
 

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Dates aren't all that important to me, although seeing what year it is periodically is nice to get an idea of how long things have taken and such.

But other than that, your just doing a gameplay AARs no point being OCD about dates ;) leave that for the historybook writers :p
 

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No opinion one way or the other. Just make sure it doesn't read like a checklist :)

Dates aren't all that important to me, although seeing what year it is periodically is nice to get an idea of how long things have taken and such.

But other than that, your just doing a gameplay AARs no point being OCD about dates ;) leave that for the historybook writers :p

Thanks for the input! I took GUG's suggestion and added dates to some of the pictures in tomorrow's update; we'll see how it goes and adjust accordingly. The period we'll be looking into is going to split into two updates; I'll do one tomorrow and the other Saturday or Sunday.
 

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Thanks for the input! I took GUG's suggestion and added dates to some of the pictures in tomorrow's update; we'll see how it goes and adjust accordingly. The period we'll be looking into is going to split into two updates; I'll do one tomorrow and the other Saturday or Sunday.

That is wonderful!
 

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Chapter 5: There can be only one, part 1

Funny thing about fighting OPMs. It’s really a very dull war, most of the time. I declared war on 24 March 1496. Fast forward, and…

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View my new domain!

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The greyish color is Otomo – they are independent and allied with Manchu (if you remember the last update). Purple is Shimazu. Somehow, they broke free. Green is Hatakeyama, my vassal and ally. I also get a pretty cool CB “Annex Daimyo” on all of the Daimyos. In September, I get an event that lets me trade 30 ducats for a temple. Works for me. I choose “Reclaim Aki” (a Japanese core that presently belongs to Otomo) as my new mission. (Back in 1492, I had a mission and cancelled it.) As of April 1498, I have a mere four loans left. Progress! I get military tech 5 a few weeks later.

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Early 1499 gives me diplo tech 5, but it’s kind of boring. Let’s end the boredom, shall we?

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With my Korea and my vassal joining in, this is actually lopsided in my favor, even with Manchu helping out Otomo. At the end of the day, I want to beat up Otomo and have Korea simply keep Manchu occupied. Here’s an early shot of the war, in Korea.

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Korea would probably be horrified to learn that I don’t care if they actually win or not. Nobody tell them! YOU’RE ALL SWORN TO SECRECY. 3 July 1499 is Financial Independence Day, as I have no loans! (If only it were a day later.) I use my impressive surplus to start hiring some advisors, starting with this guy:

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I had one other choice, a guy who boosts reinforce speed. I think I made the right one. I also start building up my navy. If I’m going to properly be Japan, I must have a first class fleet, obviously. In March 1500 I hire another advisor.

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I spend the rest of 1500 trading a siege with Otomo. I’m purposefully going slow, because the fortress they just took was some pretty good defensive territory. Soon, my friends, I shall strike. In the meantime, Manchu makes my day.

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I only later realized that I had about 15 war score against Manchu – Korea did pretty well – and could have gotten some cash or a concession of defeat from them. Oh well, what can you do? In October, there’s a peasant uprising in one of my provinces. Otomo promptly goes and crushes it for me, despite the fact we’re at war. That is dedication to the Japanese culture, I guess. Even better, they split up their army (although it recombines before I get there). Time for a battle!

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A few days, the army is destroyed. I use some of my diplo to get rid of my war exhaustion (because I forgot to retake the province Otomo captured). Of course, my Shogun decides now is the perfect time to die.

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It turns out, if you destroy your opponent’s army, they won’t kill your rebels for you anymore. Talk about ingratitude! Korea signs a White Peace with Otomo (which I’m okay with – I can more than capably handle Otomo without them). Here’s the new Shogun, by the way.

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I soon hire another advisor.

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Sure, my Shogun is decidedly meh, but he’s got good advisors. Because the RNG has a sense of humor, it gives me a claim on Yamato, which, you know, I’ve already got a core on. Then my people start having a hissy fit about me destroying Otomo.

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I realize I can’t annex them in one go anyhow, so I decide to go ahead and end the war, taking what I can get (which is rather a lot).

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That free province for Hatakeyama will just make them all the tastier when I diplo-annex them. I make that my new mission. I have to spend some admin power to core Settsu, but everything else was a core. Next stop, annexation land!

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Okay, at this point, I should probably share my biggest blunder thus far. Remember how being at war used to bring annexations to a screeching halt? They don’t any more. I did not know this at the time. That means we get years of nothing happening! (Okay, I did get an heir – 3/0/3 – but apart from that, it was getting stab hits for various reasons, then spending admin to recover, all the while seemingly dooming myself never to get admin tech 4.) To further ensure that nothing happened, my Shogun died.

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I do get guns (military tech 6) a few weeks later.

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That means a unit change!

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I get diplomacy tech 6 a bit later on, which would let me build an Embassy if I had lots and lots of extra money (which I don’t). My army advisor dies, so I replace him with a +1/+5% discipline advisor. Finally, it’s 1519.

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Still can’t do much – I get a +1/+5 rep diplo guy and +1/+.1 inflation burn admin guy. I do get a new general who’s +4 to shock (and nothing else). You know, right after we get firearms. Looking forward to years of even more nothing happening? Sorry to disappoint you, but…

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We’ll pick up that war in the next update. See you then!
 

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Yay, you've finally formed Japan! And congratulations on paying off those loans. It seemed like you had over a dozen the whole game.

Regencies can be a pain. It's very considerate of Manchu and Korea to offer you a chance to smack Otomo around a bit more. :p
 

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I love it when a plan comes together.
 

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That's a lot of aggressive expansion, good for you you have no neighbours you aren't planning to conquer.

Seeing how you slapped Otomo around I feel justified in arguing you should have let them annex Japan. Oh well, what can you do? At least with all those cores you won't have to waste admin points coring everything. What's the stats of the regency council?

I like the inclusion of dates, makes it easier to get a feel for the progression of time. One of the weaknesses of the highlight focused game play AAR is that events seem to float in a void without a frame of reference, and dates counteract that to some extent.