Japan and Korea in Ck2?

[freevase]

jade dragon brought in a chinese-themed expansion without China. Really that's fine; China is ridiculously big for the game to handle and would require an insane government overhaul to represent the strange centralised bureaucracy that ruled.

That said, that doesnt have to mean Japan and Korea are sidelined too. Both these regions have very interesting histories; Korea trying constantly to unify its Three Kingdoms whilst the power of Japan's centralised Imperial Court is challenged by regional warrior aristocrats, and both countries are subject to Mongol invasions (until they died in a tornado) as well as interesting relationships with China.

In terms of size, Japan and Korea are far smaller than the monster that is China( which assumedly could be blanked out on the map, or just represented with a one-province tag) and their government mechanics resemble Feudalism much more closely.

Thoughts?

 

[Sonmi]

You can't reach Korea or Japan without going through China, so I'm afraid they both won't happen during CK2's lifespan. SEA kingdoms are way more likely, and even then, they're an almost impossible pipe dream.

 

[MAju]

Although I'm glad about your suggestion as a Korean, but I can't agree it.

First, three kingdoms of Korea ended in 7th century. It's before Charlemagne. If you say later three kingdoms, it was started in 892 and ended in 936. We don't have a start date about 10th century.

Second, Japanese emperor and shogunate don't fit present system of CK2. I do not want to watch a new kind of feudalism. And wider map make game slow. I doubt Korea and Japan would be attractive to CK2 players. So I think it will be better to flavor existing regions than to expand map more.

 

[Thure]

How would you add Japan and Korea without adding China?

Also Japanese Feudalism started very late during the ENDGAME of CK2. During the CK2 era Japan was pretty much bureaucratic too.

 

[freevase]

You can't reach Korea or Japan without going through China, so I'm afraid they both won't happen during CK2's lifespan. SEA kingdoms are way more likely, and even then, they're an almost impossible pipe dream.

Very true. It could work as its own map (i.e Europe/India aren't loaded at all) but that does seems a bit lame. Possibly a map only featuring East Asia and India, not loading in Europe? Or am I misunderstanding how map size affects performance?

Although I'm glad about your suggestion as a Korean, but I can't agree it.

First, three kingdoms of Korea ended in 7th century. It's before Charlemagne. If you say later three kingdoms, it was started in 892 and ended in 936. We don't have a start date about 10th century.

Second, Japanese emperor and shogunate don't fit present system of CK2. I do not want to watch a new kind of feudalism. And wider map make game slow. I doubt Korea and Japan would be attractive to CK2 players. So I think it will be better to flavor existing regions than to expand map more.

Apologies, not an expert on Korean history (Japan's more my strength). From what I understand however plenty is still happening in Korea (rise and fall of Goryeo, succession of Joseon, Mongol invasions e.c.t), and even still CK2 doesn't need many historical events to create an interesting history.

As for Japan I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with a new system (so long as its not dramatically different like Imperial China). The game starts quite conveniently with the height of Imperial authority; from 769 onward the power of the Emperor is gradually devolving and decentralizing into Shonen, and interacting with this change could be interesting from the perspective of an Imperial aristocratic family or warrior dynasty e.g the Minamoto or Fujiwara. Furthermore let's not forget that adding new government types isn't unheard of in CK2 (i.e Merchant Republics).

I'm well aware this is all quite ambitious; it's just fun to speculate / give ideas to modders.