It is likely that they'll be defeated by war exhaustion/revolution than by manpower exhaustion.
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It is likely that they'll be defeated by war exhaustion/revolution than by manpower exhaustion.
Wow, a million Chinese in one battle. That's insane. Imagine if Ming had expanded more during EUIV and they were even bigger than they are here. :blink:
I wonder what caused that bug that gave the chinese all those regiments in the first place? It kinda flip-flopped everything.
At any rate, it looks like my prediction is more and more likely to happen at this rate.
At any rate, it looks like my prediction is more and more likely to happen at this rate.
Since there doesn't seem to be any way to actually defeat Ming, it has to end in a status quo or worse. I guessed the former.
War to End All Wars - Part IV
On December 14th 1935 the parliament has discussed the progress of war
Haig's Line was holding as usual despite millions of death Chinese lying in the area.
Kamchatka campaign was victorious and British troops from there tried to liberate Korea next but got overwhelmed by Chinese numbers as usual.
At this point British public was tired of war unhappy with lack of progress. Sure Britain could send more troops but it was very unlikely that this would change anything. Given this situation president Baldwin decided that there is no point in continuing this war. Secret meeting between representatives of Ming and Britain was arranged in Hanoi to discuss ending of the hostilities. Both sides failed to achieve their goals - that was clear but the other clear thing was that there are millions of dead Chinese and war exhaustion in China is growing rapidly. Ming Emperor knew that time was Britain's ally so he agreed to made limited concessions.
Britain had to abandon primary war goal of disarming the Ming army but on the other hand has gained border Chinese provinces which could improve their situation in case of next war. Part of Korea was also annexed as a compensation for Ming occupation of British Korea. Both sides claimed victory - Britain has gained land, but Ming certainly did stop the British. Field Marshal Alexander said that this is a truce not a peace - maybe its true but Britain situation is certainly better then before the war.
Guns fell silent on December 16th 1935
Following the ceasefire British troops ended their mission in Homs, Great Arabia is still in place and no-one even dared to attack the British.
Korea is free at last
Great Arabia is still in chaos but fascist are winning and more and more provinces start calling Kemal their Sheikh
Joined British-Ming commission has estimated combat casualties during the battle of Haig's Line
Province Ming Britain
Taunggy 751930 27129
Lashio 1451709 63729
Myitkina 1535461 43000
Putaoo 689848 60283
Lhodrak 385306 29193
Total 4814254 223334
This are only combat casualties in these 5 provinces, taking into consideration other battles of this war and attrition experts estimate Chinese casualties to be 6-8 million and British around 300-500 thousand.
Despite battles on the Haig's line lasting to the very last minute of the war Ming propaganda has claimed victory.
World by at the end of 1935, so much different from what used to be 100 years earlier
On December 14th 1935 the parliament has discussed the progress of war
Haig's Line was holding as usual despite millions of death Chinese lying in the area.
Kamchatka campaign was victorious and British troops from there tried to liberate Korea next but got overwhelmed by Chinese numbers as usual.
At this point British public was tired of war unhappy with lack of progress. Sure Britain could send more troops but it was very unlikely that this would change anything. Given this situation president Baldwin decided that there is no point in continuing this war. Secret meeting between representatives of Ming and Britain was arranged in Hanoi to discuss ending of the hostilities. Both sides failed to achieve their goals - that was clear but the other clear thing was that there are millions of dead Chinese and war exhaustion in China is growing rapidly. Ming Emperor knew that time was Britain's ally so he agreed to made limited concessions.
Britain had to abandon primary war goal of disarming the Ming army but on the other hand has gained border Chinese provinces which could improve their situation in case of next war. Part of Korea was also annexed as a compensation for Ming occupation of British Korea. Both sides claimed victory - Britain has gained land, but Ming certainly did stop the British. Field Marshal Alexander said that this is a truce not a peace - maybe its true but Britain situation is certainly better then before the war.
Guns fell silent on December 16th 1935
Following the ceasefire British troops ended their mission in Homs, Great Arabia is still in place and no-one even dared to attack the British.
Korea is free at last
Great Arabia is still in chaos but fascist are winning and more and more provinces start calling Kemal their Sheikh
Joined British-Ming commission has estimated combat casualties during the battle of Haig's Line
Province Ming Britain
Taunggy 751930 27129
Lashio 1451709 63729
Myitkina 1535461 43000
Putaoo 689848 60283
Lhodrak 385306 29193
Total 4814254 223334
This are only combat casualties in these 5 provinces, taking into consideration other battles of this war and attrition experts estimate Chinese casualties to be 6-8 million and British around 300-500 thousand.
Despite battles on the Haig's line lasting to the very last minute of the war Ming propaganda has claimed victory.
World by at the end of 1935, so much different from what used to be 100 years earlier
Majority was wrong again, but congratulations to the minority who voted for Fascists and Minor British Victory 
I'll put one more episode with summary tomorrow. Hopefully sooner or later we'll be able to continue in HoI3
and westernized China is always a monster. Furthermore converter didn't convert cultures so Ming was only culturally unified state while Britain and Abbasids could only use a fraction of their population effectively for most of the time.
Sure it's flip-flopped a bit but I think it was even more interesting
I'll put one more episode with summary tomorrow. Hopefully sooner or later we'll be able to continue in HoI3
It wasn't a bug - it was EU IV's super easy westernization before Wealth of Nations
and westernized China is always a monster. Furthermore converter didn't convert cultures so Ming was only culturally unified state while Britain and Abbasids could only use a fraction of their population effectively for most of the time.Sure it's flip-flopped a bit but I think it was even more interesting
I was in the minority of Slightly Pro-British.
Are you ever going to do something like this again? If so, be sure to let us know.
Are you ever going to do something like this again? If so, be sure to let us know.
I'm playing Venice in Charlemagne now and I have a bit different scenario in mind - how about I made a monster empire, save around 1250 and let you guys face it
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Ye gods that was one hell of a war with the Chinese! By the way I would suggest eating Tibet at the least before the game is done and maybe a few other minor states on your borders to help clean things up for whatever comes next. Will be interesting to see how things go in HOI if the converter can be made to work for this save
Yay, victory for Britain!!! And those Chinese territories will certainly give a nice boost to income and manpower. Now all we need is a conversion to HoI3 and Britain shall rule the world, one way...
or another.
or another.
I figured Britain would pull off a victory sooner or later, since Ming couldn't reach most of your provinces and the battles favoured you, although I forgot to vote on it. And the fascists finally pulled of victory. I knew they couldn't be held back forever.
I think you've created a new type of game where people face off against human-created super-blobs. I'd love to see more in the future.
I think you've created a new type of game where people face off against human-created super-blobs. I'd love to see more in the future.
I'm playing Venice in Charlemagne now and I have a bit different scenario in mind - how about I made a monster empire, save around 1250 and let you guys face it
Just use the Improved EU IV Converter mod so that culture provinces get cores, and "Italian", "Russian", and "German" culture blobs get broken up as they should be. Also heresies convert as their own religions. Will make monster blobs at least possible to dismantle.
I really hope this continues in HoI3. Who do we have to bribe to get that converter working?
This was a great read. And by God, I haven't ever seen such large and tense battles ever in a game, not even HoI3. Especially considering they took place in mind-sickening living conditions in the mountains, jungles and that particular British defeat in the desert.
I am eagerly waiting for the Vicky2-HoI3 converter. I'd pay for it if I could.
Except Cilicia, Sindh, Yemen and western part of Oman, that is a blob with quite historically accurate borders to say.
It is Abbasid Universalis all over again.
I am eagerly waiting for the Vicky2-HoI3 converter. I'd pay for it if I could.
Our old friends seem to be blobbing in Charlemagne even without my help...
Except Cilicia, Sindh, Yemen and western part of Oman, that is a blob with quite historically accurate borders to say.
It is Abbasid Universalis all over again.
Britain victorious! I guess I'd starve Chinese out for a more prolonged time then would have gone for Abbasids to crush their fascism.
Just imagine being that Chinese peasant who is told to go to Haig's Line. Imagine what he would see there.
Just imagine being that Chinese peasant who is told to go to Haig's Line. Imagine what he would see there.
