It's absolutely ridiculous get AE when return my vassal's core in a defensive war

[jadefluegel]

It's make no sense.
I totally cannot understand the reason that i'll get the penalty of aggressive expansion when I make a peace treaty that i force the attacker to return my vassal's core .

Who can tell me that's not a bug but a reasonable thing?

How could make it reasonable ???

If i declare war on an enemy with any casus belli , forcing the enemy return my vassal's core will get no penalty of aggressive expansion, thus i think it's not about CB .

So i think it's just a ridiculous bug .

 

[Camtheman]

Yeah have you ever taken back your own cores from Denmark as Sweden? You get AE.

Makes no sense, AT ALL. I even get coalitions sometimes from getting MY OWN cores back.

 

[wolfing]

It' make no sense.
I totally cannot understand the reason when I make a peace treaty that i force the attacker to return my vassal's core .

Who can tell me that's not a bug but a reasonable thing?

How could make it reasonable ???

If i declare war on an enemy with any casus belli , forcing the enemy return my vassal's core will get no penalty of aggressive expansion, thus i think it's not about CB .

So i think it's just a ridiculous bug .

I don't know the details, but theoretically speaking, if the attacker also considered the province a core, it could make countries at least go 'hmm....'. I'm sure it's a small AE for doing that anyway.

 

[kitemasaki]

Taking back cores is a lot less AE than taking cores that you have claims on.
Definitely a lot less AE than just taking anything you want.

Other nations getting mad? Yes, they might want a power check. Nations fighting over disputed territories for centuries is nothing new. Just check out the French, English, Naples and Castille at 1444.
You probably just aren't aware of what is associated with AE. Once you refresh up on it in the Wiki, you won't be as flustered since you can plan accordingly for the future. Coalitions as of 1.8 seem to be much more manageable than ever. The fact that a nation will have to leave a coalition if under truce...is already a major buff to the human player.

 

[Xara]

It's inconsistent and the UI lies about it.

Taking back cores is a lot less AE than taking cores that you have claims on.
Definitely a lot less AE than just taking anything you want.

Try reading what you reply to.

 

[jadefluegel]

quoted wrongly

 

[Pornek]

Are you takling about return core or cede province which is a core ?

 

[kitemasaki]

It's inconsistent and the UI lies about it.



Try reading what you reply to.

Don't be toxic or snarky it ruins your complexion.
I did read the entire post and the UI is omitting that you will get AE as well, as we seem to get it now from Vassal feeding. Not a surprise considering the focus on vassals now, just something they haven't said would happen. There is a difference between lying (a rager's overreaction) and oversights, which are a lot with this expansion so far. Hopefully we will get better tooltips and UI descriptions with a patch.

 

[jadefluegel]

Are you takling about return core or cede province which is a core ?

of course return core. the third page in a peace treaty making.

 

[Xara]

Are you takling about return core or cede province which is a core ?

They're both part of the issue. Why is there a functional difference between them? If your vassal has sieged their core, the demand to annex the province directly or to "return core" of that province should cost (in terms of dip points and ae) exactly the same thing, AND the UI needs to stop @#$#ing lying about it. Currently, telling them to annex that province states that the vassal nation will get AE. they don't. you do. The AE amount for doing so also has no reduction applied to it. Even if your war is a war of reconquest on behalf of that vassal.

I got over 100+ AE for whupping the Timurids quite solidly and having Persia directly-annex their own cores. I could have told them to "return core" and gotten 0 AE while paying dip points. This distinction should not exist. It's not consistent, and the UI of the peace screen is outright false. A war of reconquest on behalf of your vassal should cost zero dip points for annexing provinces directly to them OR returning cores, because that's the damn war goal. And if there is AE to be given to the warlord, it should exist in both cases, and be affected by war goal reductions.

 

[PanH]

Are you takling about return core or cede province which is a core ?

Cede province, when it's occupied by a vassal having a core on the province, using the reconquest cb of that vassal on that province GIVES MORE AE THAN TAKING IT YOURSELF (which is like no cb).
The new vassals cbs are COMPLETELY USELESS for limiting AE (which is the point of a cb), and jadefluegel and others are completely missing the point.

 

[Lakedaimon]

The point of the vassal CB is to allow expansion in the direction where you have a vassal, no longer making vassals the expansion block they were. The point of a CB isn't to limit AE, it is A point of a CB, there may be other reasons to go for other CB's too.

 

[mattkunz]

Cede province, when it's occupied by a vassal having a core on the province, using the reconquest cb of that vassal on that province GIVES MORE AE THAN TAKING IT YOURSELF (which is like no cb).
The new vassals cbs are COMPLETELY USELESS for limiting AE (which is the point of a cb), and jadefluegel and others are completely missing the point.

Also, when using reconquest cb of vassal, you can't return core, only cede to vassal or yourself.

Also, I'm pretty sure the OP can't miss the point of a thread, he's talking about a seperate issue...

 

[Xara]

Also, when using reconquest cb of vassal, you can't return core, only cede to vassal or yourself.

Also, I'm pretty sure the OP can't miss the point of a thread, he's talking about a seperate issue...

Completely false. Both options can be done.

 

[cahtush]

Yeah have you ever taken back your own cores from Denmark as Sweden? You get AE.

Makes no sense, AT ALL. I even get coalitions sometimes from getting MY OWN cores back.

Well, it makes some weird sort sense because they shouldn't be Swedish cores to begin with (with the exception of Gotland).
But anyways, taking back cores should only really cause a noticeable amount AE to the countries that also have cores or claims on those provinces.

 

[unmerged(773066)]

So is it OP, UP, Needing of a nerf or needing of a buff? And do we need to make a special criteria for France? Find out next time, in the next broken game thread.

 

[Xara]

when using reconquest cb of vassal, you can't return core, only cede to vassal or yourself.

And this screenshot, particularly the highlighted portions, are all that needs be said.
The war goal isn't part of the war goal. Logic!
If I annex the province directly to them (once sieged), it will say I get 0 AE. But I will get AE.

OP's original complaint is that you get AE in a defensive war for annexing a province to your vassal, when you could return core and get none.