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[C.V. Mannerheim]

The Ottomans? Ok, thats odd enuff. In my current GC as England the year was about 1470 and i was scrolling around the Med. giving particular interest in the Ottomans. I checked their diplo-stats, and noticed they were at war with Saxony, Hessen, Gedre, Koln, and several other Northern German states and low-countries territories. I thought it was a little odd, but then i remembered things i had read on the forum about the Ottomans. So i scroll back to England and am shocked to see an Ottoman Armada carrying troops to invade the Northern states. Now this pissed me off big-time. Not only were they about to invade by soon-to-be subjects, but they had the balls to use the the English Channel, his Magesty's very own Channel to stage their infidel assault. So i declared war on them, I lost 0 stability (since they are infidels worthy of being crushed) and proceded to smash their fleet in the cold waters off Dover. After that little 'incident' i got a nice cash settlement and continued in my quest to conquer the French slobs.

 

[unmerged(739)]

lol ummmmm ok that's interesting...how did you lose zero stability?

 

[C.V. Mannerheim]

no loss in stabilty because i had a cassus belli on them, since theyre sunni, and lost 0 because we didnt share the same true faith.

 

[DPS]

Even though they're Moslem, you'd normally lose 1 stability for DoWing them without a CB. Did they do something that gave you a CB on them, like embargo you?

 

[C.V. Mannerheim]

I cant remember all the details, but if do remember correctly that thier DoW on my fellow catholic countries either gave my a temporary CB or I had a permanent CB on them because they were Moslem. I thought that all of the western countries, following Byzantium's fall, have a CB on The Ottomans. Am i wrong?

 

[Nikolai II]

Originally posted by C.V. Mannerheim
I cant remember all the details, but if do remember correctly that thier DoW on my fellow catholic countries either gave my a temporary CB or I had a permanent CB on them because they were Moslem. I thought that all of the western countries, following Byzantium's fall, have a CB on The Ottomans. Am i wrong?

Yes.

They probably had annexed some country, or some catholic country (Duchy of Athens?) recently. Them annexing if they are at low relations with you gives you a timed CB.

 

[C.V. Mannerheim]

Thank you, i knew it was something like that. But still, it sure was a shock to see an Ottoman invasion armada off Dover. His Majesty's sailors performed admirably

 

[C.V. Mannerheim]

Also in about 1484, a Danish-Swedish alliance Dow on the same countries that the Ottomans had attacked, except this time i cannot declare war on the Danes (which are using the king's channel) because i will lose about 5 stab. I have adopted the strategy of Recruiting Privateers to hinder the Danish fleet.

Who else have you guys seen in the Channel?

 

[Lucidor]

If they had taken Rome at that time, you would have had a CB on them...

Did you really win anythin if counting the net gains. My experience is that ships cost money and that you always lose a few of those in any major engagement...

 

[Caesar Augustus]

He won not having to see an Ottoman Netherlands. Isn't that worth any cost?

 

[C.V. Mannerheim]

Yes that certainly is enough for me. But to answer the other question: I lost about 10 warships to their 35 so for me i lost about 850 ducats on ships, in the peace settlement i got 750 ducats ( after conquering Provence i got their small fleet, improved upon it and used it to crush a few Ottoman Galleys in the eastern Med.) But the Northern states would most definetly have fallen to the Ottomans so that small 100 ducat loss is a small price to pay. Especially since i now either control or in the process of annexing some of the states that wouldve been under Infidel control.

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

just be glad you werent here in the early days. before they fixed it chinease fleets were very common around england in the gc
also spain usualy had to compete with them in the new world for colonies.

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by C.V. Mannerheim
I have adopted the strategy of Recruiting Privateers to hinder the Danish fleet.

Just be aware that each time you recruit pirates, you earn 1 BB point!

 

[Petrarca]

Originally posted by DPS
Even though they're Moslem, you'd normally lose 1 stability for DoWing them without a CB. Did they do something that gave you a CB on them, like embargo you?

Unless he had an RM with them, () he's fine, and loses no stab with a CB.

 

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How can pirates manage against a full fleet even on mininum tech!

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Josquius
How can pirates manage against a full fleet even on mininum tech!

Very, very well. It all depends on whether the pirates manage to break their opponents morale early on. With a superior fire phase that can actually happen a lot in the early game.

Of course, once you start moving 20+ warships around with a good fire phase, or 40+ galleys (with naval dp and thus enough morale to survive until the shock phase) at any tech level, they are toast.

 

[C.V. Mannerheim]

Where else have the Ottomans shown up in your games?

 

[Lucidor]

Originally posted by C.V. Mannerheim
Where else have the Ottomans shown up in your games?

I've had them taking Iceland from Denmark as well as force-annexing the duchy of Moscow...

 

[unmerged(5664)]

Originally posted by C.V. Mannerheim
Who else have you guys seen in the Channel?

The Chinese!

 

[Kelvin]

I've seen Chinese, Manchu, Bengal, Nippon and, check this, Mataram ships in the Baltic... and I'm running 1.05.