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Originally posted by warspite
LOOKIE LOOKIE, IM PAST THE 1000 post mark, not too shaby i must say
Good job fellow Colonel.
When do you expect an answer by for the mystery?
Carolus rex and gandalf still need to choose a country, maybe others who join in can also help. but i would like to get the aar going again by this weekend, what do you think? im flexible so doesnt matter to me so much.
If I may Doge By-Tor. Vendicarsi di OR umiliare means to be revenged or to humiliate. I'm still looking over the clues and will try to give a more learned response on "Who did it" tomorrow. The problem of having many enemies and not enough clues.
Senator Antonio Storia of Verona
Senator Antonio Storia of Verona
Xanadu asked:
Well, Italiano isn't one of my handful of foreign languages (when I studied in Rome for a semester it was on an English-speaking campus - sorry!) but I think that means "to seek vengeance for" or "to humiliate". Thus the Turks are telling us what the two motives for the assassination were - you only need one I believe.
Oh, looks like Joe Storey beat me to it. Nice job senator. Keeping the feet up?
Well, Italiano isn't one of my handful of foreign languages (when I studied in Rome for a semester it was on an English-speaking campus - sorry!) but I think that means "to seek vengeance for" or "to humiliate". Thus the Turks are telling us what the two motives for the assassination were - you only need one I believe.
Oh, looks like Joe Storey beat me to it. Nice job senator. Keeping the feet up?
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Originally posted by warspite
if he is right to all three (A/B/C) italy gets a free 100ducats for success. If he is wrong though in any one of them, the shame will cost Italy 500ducats, country is too rich as it is
If you have too many ducats, could you lend me some? I'm running kind of low in my GC game as Austria (have been at war for forty years...
)?Thanks
Originally posted by Misha
Xanadu asked:
Oh, looks like Joe Storey beat me to it. Nice job senator. Keeping the feet up?
Actually I'm soaking them in sparking white wine. Oh that feels good!
Joe
Gretta McCollum strolled easily through the halls of her villa in Ravenna, feeling rather bored. It was nice to be back in Italy, that much was for sure, but she almost found herself missing the stay in Bavaria. Yes it was a turbulent time, marred by danger and stress but it was also....exciting. She still remembered the feeling of her sword sinking into the stomach of that damned Papal agent, and it felt GOOD. Too good, actually, and that worried her mroe than anythign else. That feeling of exaltation, the POWER, she had held that bastard's life in HER hands after all. She shuddered and went to look on Young Donal.
Donal was in the court yard and squeeling with joy fighting a friend with a wooden sword. Gretta was not suprises to see that the friend was loosing badly. Not seeing his mother enter, Donal hit the other child with a vicious attack across the chin, leaving the poor novice laying in the dirt. Young McCollum lept forward placing his foot on his friends neck and pressing down.
"Say Uncle!"
"*gack*"
"Sat it. SAY IT!"
"Unc *gasp* UNCLE"
The 10 year old child let up his foot and looked down at his opponent with a vicious sneer on his face, that was only accepted by the evil looking scar that he had gained after beign attacked by the theives. "Your dead", he said with such finality that Gretta suddenly felt a shiver of fear run down her back, the look of victory and rage on her son's face did not make her feel any better.
"Come on Donal, its time for your father's party. You need to get ready"
Donal looked up at her "I don't want to, I was having fun"
"Well, its nto really up to you, you need to be there. IF you don't do it for me, at least do it for your father. This si very important to him"
"Why, so he can try top get us killed again?"
Gretta looked down in shock at her son. Had he just said what she thought he said? "That is NOt proper!", he exclaimed
"I don't care about father, just like he doens't care about us! He LEFT us."
"Now you know that isn't true"
"Yes it is. YES IT IS!", Donal yelled. It sounded trangly like the beginings of a temper tantrum, and yet it didn't. The yell was so cotnrolled, to cold. Gretta found herself getting frightened all over again.
"He's your Father!"
"Not forever. One day _I_ may be in charge. Not jsut a Senator, I'm going to rule ITALY!:, Donal smiled a cruel power hungry smile. "Emperor Donal I!"
Donal's mother looked down in shock, such words comign from the mouth of a Seantor's child! She glared at him. "Just watch your mouth Donal Robert McCollum, you here me!? Now go and get dressed and dont' talk like that anymore!"
Donal jsut shrugged and turned to walk away. Gretta colalsped into a chair near by, the scary thign was is she beleived what he said.
Donal was in the court yard and squeeling with joy fighting a friend with a wooden sword. Gretta was not suprises to see that the friend was loosing badly. Not seeing his mother enter, Donal hit the other child with a vicious attack across the chin, leaving the poor novice laying in the dirt. Young McCollum lept forward placing his foot on his friends neck and pressing down.
"Say Uncle!"
"*gack*"
"Sat it. SAY IT!"
"Unc *gasp* UNCLE"
The 10 year old child let up his foot and looked down at his opponent with a vicious sneer on his face, that was only accepted by the evil looking scar that he had gained after beign attacked by the theives. "Your dead", he said with such finality that Gretta suddenly felt a shiver of fear run down her back, the look of victory and rage on her son's face did not make her feel any better.
"Come on Donal, its time for your father's party. You need to get ready"
Donal looked up at her "I don't want to, I was having fun"
"Well, its nto really up to you, you need to be there. IF you don't do it for me, at least do it for your father. This si very important to him"
"Why, so he can try top get us killed again?"
Gretta looked down in shock at her son. Had he just said what she thought he said? "That is NOt proper!", he exclaimed
"I don't care about father, just like he doens't care about us! He LEFT us."
"Now you know that isn't true"
"Yes it is. YES IT IS!", Donal yelled. It sounded trangly like the beginings of a temper tantrum, and yet it didn't. The yell was so cotnrolled, to cold. Gretta found herself getting frightened all over again.
"He's your Father!"
"Not forever. One day _I_ may be in charge. Not jsut a Senator, I'm going to rule ITALY!:, Donal smiled a cruel power hungry smile. "Emperor Donal I!"
Donal's mother looked down in shock, such words comign from the mouth of a Seantor's child! She glared at him. "Just watch your mouth Donal Robert McCollum, you here me!? Now go and get dressed and dont' talk like that anymore!"
Donal jsut shrugged and turned to walk away. Gretta colalsped into a chair near by, the scary thign was is she beleived what he said.
Pope Germanus The First let out a hearty laugh as he sat in his palace in Vienna. Before him a troop of mimes acted out a rather vicious parody of Pope Peter II in Rome. It was nto the first time that the Pope had seen this impression, but it didn't matter. it is was funny, it would STAY funny after all. As the act ended he looked over at his guest, the Austrian Emperor "That was a good deal of fun, wasn't it?"
The Emperor just gazed at him with a look that seemed to speak volumes of how far the Hapsburg monarchy had fallen in recent years. The Emperor's fleeing from Vienna shortly after the Pope had been a huge embarrisment, and evne the gainign of territory from Hugnary had not really consolled him to the idea of his owmn personall cowardness.
The Pope though, the Pope had fled and stayed in good sprits the entire time. There was even word that he had hid out with his uncle the Bavarian King and his neice, Gretta McCollum for awhile before findign hsi way back to Vienna. These are actiosn that might be explained by a wanton pleasurer of a Pope, but Germanus wasn't that type. Yes he enjoyed life, but it was mroe that he could find humor in all of the smallest situations, no matter how dire, not because he was a glutton. Actually the Pope was one of them sot pious men that the Emperor had ever met, and this disturbed him greatly. How could this one man not only keep such a good attitude, but also be so popular with the people!?
The fickle popualtion of Vienna did not even seem to CARE that he had fkled. Instead many a ballad singer were already writing about his midnight escape from the evil heretics of Rome. Germanus was Popular, and his papacy was popular, although failign to win bakc many converts from the Luther herecy.
The Emperor sighed a deep sigh and took a goblet of wine and drank from it, then another, then another and another. By the end of then ight he was in such a deep stupor that it seemd nothing could bother him. He may be humiliated, the people may nto alwasy be to fond of him, but the alchahol, THAT liked him...and he loved it. The perfect relationship. The Austrian sighed and fell asleep in his chair next to the Pope, a few minutes alter he slid out onto the floor in a drunken stupor.
The Emperor just gazed at him with a look that seemed to speak volumes of how far the Hapsburg monarchy had fallen in recent years. The Emperor's fleeing from Vienna shortly after the Pope had been a huge embarrisment, and evne the gainign of territory from Hugnary had not really consolled him to the idea of his owmn personall cowardness.
The Pope though, the Pope had fled and stayed in good sprits the entire time. There was even word that he had hid out with his uncle the Bavarian King and his neice, Gretta McCollum for awhile before findign hsi way back to Vienna. These are actiosn that might be explained by a wanton pleasurer of a Pope, but Germanus wasn't that type. Yes he enjoyed life, but it was mroe that he could find humor in all of the smallest situations, no matter how dire, not because he was a glutton. Actually the Pope was one of them sot pious men that the Emperor had ever met, and this disturbed him greatly. How could this one man not only keep such a good attitude, but also be so popular with the people!?
The fickle popualtion of Vienna did not even seem to CARE that he had fkled. Instead many a ballad singer were already writing about his midnight escape from the evil heretics of Rome. Germanus was Popular, and his papacy was popular, although failign to win bakc many converts from the Luther herecy.
The Emperor sighed a deep sigh and took a goblet of wine and drank from it, then another, then another and another. By the end of then ight he was in such a deep stupor that it seemd nothing could bother him. He may be humiliated, the people may nto alwasy be to fond of him, but the alchahol, THAT liked him...and he loved it. The perfect relationship. The Austrian sighed and fell asleep in his chair next to the Pope, a few minutes alter he slid out onto the floor in a drunken stupor.
daneilm --- nice story there, im taking notes and checking it twice
By-Tor-- you have great senators
By-Tor-- you have great senators
The Vatican, in the middle of the Pope's lunch.
What heretics ? How did they come to be so many and We did not hear of it ? The Devil is even more of a crafty bastard than We believed if he was able to sneak so many under your nose without you seeing them. You must really want to spoil Our appetite to spring something like that on Us. And what are Our uncle the Doge and the Emperor Carolus Quintus doing to get rid of them ? : so yelled Pope Peter II at his visitors, pausing in his dismantling of a pheasant.
His newest secretary, Father Olivetti, took it upon himself to answer and the other guests exchanged resigned looks between themselves and some winced in prevision of what was to come : Your Holiness, the heresy sprang up several decades ago and both your uncle and the former King of Spain have been dead many years. Why, I mentionned this to Your Holiness just yesterday...
Peter II, his face taking on a purple hue and getting contorted : WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU TOLD US YESTERDAY ? ARE YOU IMPLYING WE ARE SENILE ? GUARDS! Take the good father away, he wants to retire and meditate.
Turning to Monsignore Fillipaci, the secretary for foreign affairs, a portly man who enjoyed all the pleasures life could offer greatly, and using a sarcastic tone : Is there any more good news for Us ? The heathen Muslims have conquered Spain ? Or there are anti-Popes chosen by the Emperor and the Kings of Europe ? Do not be shy, my dinner is already ruined so you cannot do worse there.
Monsignore Fillipaci, trying to prevaricate, began to cough softly, but seeing the Pope was still glaring at him, added in a small voice : Actually Your Holiness, there is another who calls himself Pope in Vienna at the moment, Germanus I, he...
The Pope, surging to his feet, pushes his servant violently away and screams at the top of his lungs : COWARDS! TRAITORS! INCOMPETENT LOUTS! DID YOU THINK YOU COULD HIDE THAT AWAY FROM US ? ALL OF YOU OUT. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN BEFORE YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION.
While all the dignitaries present file quietly out they can still hear the Pope ranting : An anti-Pope! We'll have him gutted! Quartered! Hanged! Skinned! Burned! And We will have this Emperor on his knee begging Our forgiveness!...
All of them wonder what they can do and what the Senators will think when the rumors that the Pope has become crazy !
What heretics ? How did they come to be so many and We did not hear of it ? The Devil is even more of a crafty bastard than We believed if he was able to sneak so many under your nose without you seeing them. You must really want to spoil Our appetite to spring something like that on Us. And what are Our uncle the Doge and the Emperor Carolus Quintus doing to get rid of them ? : so yelled Pope Peter II at his visitors, pausing in his dismantling of a pheasant.
His newest secretary, Father Olivetti, took it upon himself to answer and the other guests exchanged resigned looks between themselves and some winced in prevision of what was to come : Your Holiness, the heresy sprang up several decades ago and both your uncle and the former King of Spain have been dead many years. Why, I mentionned this to Your Holiness just yesterday...
Peter II, his face taking on a purple hue and getting contorted : WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU TOLD US YESTERDAY ? ARE YOU IMPLYING WE ARE SENILE ? GUARDS! Take the good father away, he wants to retire and meditate.
Turning to Monsignore Fillipaci, the secretary for foreign affairs, a portly man who enjoyed all the pleasures life could offer greatly, and using a sarcastic tone : Is there any more good news for Us ? The heathen Muslims have conquered Spain ? Or there are anti-Popes chosen by the Emperor and the Kings of Europe ? Do not be shy, my dinner is already ruined so you cannot do worse there.
Monsignore Fillipaci, trying to prevaricate, began to cough softly, but seeing the Pope was still glaring at him, added in a small voice : Actually Your Holiness, there is another who calls himself Pope in Vienna at the moment, Germanus I, he...
The Pope, surging to his feet, pushes his servant violently away and screams at the top of his lungs : COWARDS! TRAITORS! INCOMPETENT LOUTS! DID YOU THINK YOU COULD HIDE THAT AWAY FROM US ? ALL OF YOU OUT. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN BEFORE YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION.
While all the dignitaries present file quietly out they can still hear the Pope ranting : An anti-Pope! We'll have him gutted! Quartered! Hanged! Skinned! Burned! And We will have this Emperor on his knee begging Our forgiveness!...
All of them wonder what they can do and what the Senators will think when the rumors that the Pope has become crazy !
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All of you feel free to play with that but remember that Warspite told us the Pope should be there until 1566.
Ahhhhhh
Vendicarsi di
-Vendetta
umiliare
--humiliate
Now I see. Quite similar. that "di" at the end threw me though.
Ok I hope to hear from all (or at least some) of the Senators today. I will be leaving town today after work for the weekend so I will be making my decision today by 4:30p.m. PST (Seattle) on the mystery. I will check back to the board no later that Monday morning.
CAST YOUR VOTE ON WHICH COUNTRY THE ASSASIN CAME FROM , WHICH MONARCH HIRED THE HIT, AND WHAT THE MOTIVE WAS (1 OF 2 NEEDED).
Vendicarsi di
-Vendetta
umiliare
--humiliate
Now I see. Quite similar. that "di" at the end threw me though.
Ok I hope to hear from all (or at least some
) of the Senators today. I will be leaving town today after work for the weekend so I will be making my decision today by 4:30p.m. PST (Seattle) on the mystery. I will check back to the board no later that Monday morning.CAST YOUR VOTE ON WHICH COUNTRY THE ASSASIN CAME FROM , WHICH MONARCH HIRED THE HIT, AND WHAT THE MOTIVE WAS (1 OF 2 NEEDED).
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Vote
Motives : OK you know that;
Monarch hiring the killer : Spain (I hesitated with Austria but recently they were not humiliated by Carolus but the Pope's troops);
Assassin from : Cannot decide between Palatinat and Spain (former because the Spaniards would want to throw us off and give the Pope an occasion to cause us trouble, the latter is obvious considering our clues).
I probably will not be here for the week-end either, although I may come and check. So good luck to you By-Thor. Hope all our colleagues will give you good advice to base your decisions on
.
Motives : OK you know that;
Monarch hiring the killer : Spain (I hesitated with Austria but recently they were not humiliated by Carolus but the Pope's
troops);Assassin from : Cannot decide between Palatinat and Spain (former because the Spaniards would want to throw us off and give the Pope an occasion to cause us trouble, the latter is obvious considering our clues).
I probably will not be here for the week-end either, although I may come and check. So good luck to you By-Thor. Hope all our colleagues will give you good advice to base your decisions on
.
Sen Forster does not do well with mysteries, but my votes would be that:
Elizabeth hired the hit
Spain provided the assassin
To humiliate Italy, in that we couldn't even protect our greatest general when he was ailing
Elizabeth hired the hit
Spain provided the assassin
To humiliate Italy, in that we couldn't even protect our greatest general when he was ailing
A-what country was the assassin from?
B- which monarch actually hired the assassin?
C- what was the monarchs motive? (two motives, only one needed)
A Palatinat
B Elizabeth of England
C Revenge or Humiliation
Okay here's my possibly flawed reasoning.
A: Only because the only clue is the clothing found at the scene. They could be Spanish assassins trained by the Palatinat but why wouldn't they be wearing Spanish clothing?
B: Plotting with Emperor Ferdinand of Austria Elizabeth had a large amount of money transferred right before the Assassination of Rex. Circumstantial I know but there are so few clues.
C. Humiliation or revenge takes your pick.
B- which monarch actually hired the assassin?
C- what was the monarchs motive? (two motives, only one needed)
A Palatinat
B Elizabeth of England
C Revenge or Humiliation
Okay here's my possibly flawed reasoning.
A: Only because the only clue is the clothing found at the scene. They could be Spanish assassins trained by the Palatinat but why wouldn't they be wearing Spanish clothing?
B: Plotting with Emperor Ferdinand of Austria Elizabeth had a large amount of money transferred right before the Assassination of Rex. Circumstantial I know but there are so few clues.
C. Humiliation or revenge takes your pick.
I as well am stuck on this one too. Can't figure out if it was Spain , or the Palatant. To expand on your reasoning above I have to say for example does a person learn Judo in jeans , and a tee-shirt?. No they wear the traditional clothing of that art. This is the one "detail" that is making me teeter between the two.
Comments are most welcome
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
By-Thor, Sen. Fournieri is really contrite : he just plain forgot all the hints concerning Liz of England!
By-Thor, Sen. Fournieri is really contrite : he just plain forgot all the hints concerning Liz of England!
Originally posted by warspite
Gandalf, welcome back senator, i truely look forward to you getting through the past pages and joining us headstrong once again. i also request your senator current name and birth date and any past senators i may have missed for my history records
I just posted this on the previous page (pg. 35) but here you go again:
Lord Gandalf i Grigio di Syracuse Corniglia
Senator of Messina
Born: November, 1501-
Senator: November, 1547-
Father: Lord Abelardo Corniglia, First Lord of Syracuse (died 1531)
Older Brother: Lord Ambrosio Corniglia, First Lord of Syracuse
I'm not married and I have no heir currently though when the time comes I'll invent a nephew or something from the Corniglia family.