Italy leaving the empire?
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Is it permenant? and does it happen instantly? I don't like the idea of warring aragon and annexing their ally ferrara then totally removing italy from the HRE because of that.
Savoy should probably be exempt, or have a higher probability of remaining in the HRE.
So I just met with the new coring system... Well, it's highly unlikely that I can conquer all those lands within timeframe since I don't wanna lose emperorship after getting a huge coalition. Also coring takes years anyway, so expansion is pretty badly nerfed. Should I just let Italy go? Well, I suppose I have to. I can conquer them afterwards anyway, though vassal Italians refuse the event right? I may diplo vassalise one or two maybe then at least.
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Does anyone know what counts as "northern Italy". Is it talking about a group of provinces in the geographical location or just the nations?
Go to the Region mapmode and "Northern Italy/Kingdom of Italy" is displayed there.
Basically, it's everything from the starting Papal States going north. Naples, Sicily and Sardinia are exempt, but the HRE would need to deal with Venice and the Pope in order to keep Italy in the HRE.
Basically, it's everything from the starting Papal States going north. Naples, Sicily and Sardinia are exempt, but the HRE would need to deal with Venice and the Pope in order to keep Italy in the HRE.
There are 2different popups
the first one at the beginning of the game which tells you that italy will leave the hre if nothing is done (that one seems to be for HRE nations only)
the second one when they leave (in my game it was 1490). This one i got at france too, which isn't inside the hre.
the first one at the beginning of the game which tells you that italy will leave the hre if nothing is done (that one seems to be for HRE nations only)
the second one when they leave (in my game it was 1490). This one i got at france too, which isn't inside the hre.
You can click on the Region Map Mode and it shows you, but it's all of the Papal State, Urbino, Venice round to Fruili inculding venezia and Corsica.
actually i think that Italy did slowly leave the HRE during the 1500s, historically.
Yeah, I wasn't complaining. I was actually rather pleased; it just wasn't something I'd seen happen before.
Since you're not going to see both Venice and the Papal States conquered and HRE-integrated without player interaction, this is pretty much guaranteed to happen every game (if you don't prevent it yourself).
I'm super excited for this in my Genoa run. Lucca recently became a Free City, which is going to last precisely until it's no longer HRE and becomes a Genoese City
Though I suppose they might choose to stay since they have that status. We'll see.
Milan, though, will be wholly absorbed by my yellow greatness...
I'm super excited for this in my Genoa run. Lucca recently became a Free City, which is going to last precisely until it's no longer HRE and becomes a Genoese City
Though I suppose they might choose to stay since they have that status. We'll see.Milan, though, will be wholly absorbed by my yellow greatness...
I can see Austria using the HRE 1st reform casus belli on Venice for those provinces, but forcing Australia to war-dec the Papacy too?
The later seems contradictory in the sense that Austria would be emphasizing Catholicism within the HRE, so why instigate hostility between the Emperor and Papacy?
The later seems contradictory in the sense that Austria would be emphasizing Catholicism within the HRE, so why instigate hostility between the Emperor and Papacy?
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Not officially.
In practice it was pretty much out of the HRE from before the 15th century, but it never left. What really happened is that after Charles V gave Milan to Spain, the Spanish branch of the Habsburgs took over most of the Emperor's duties in Italy.
After the War of the Spanish Succession, Austria reconquered Milan and Italy was enough in the HRE for Maria Teresa's husband to snap up Tuscany for himself when the Medici died out.
One HRE ruleset for Italy and Germany doesn't really work though, so kicking Italy out for gameplay reasons makes some sense. Most of the HRE laws were Germany laws, Italy and Germany weren't really united into one kingdom. Lombardy and Austria always kept strong cultural links though.
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But that's no longer a problem one way or another after 1500 is it...
Either the Emperor has conquered Roma or Italy has left the HRE... then the reformation happens 
The event needs to be tuned to be longer than a 46 years from start and people besides the emperor need to be able to add territory. Without a large amount of player intervention right at the beginning of the game, northern Italy will leave every single time.
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A few things to note about the event.
From what I could tell:
1) It can only fire from 1490 to 1550 and it takes 12 months to fire if the entire Kingdom of Italy isn't in the HRE.
2) You don't need to be the emperor to stop it from firing. You can add territory to the HRE so long as you have over 100 in relations to the emperor, and it looks like you just need to add the provinces in the region to stop it.
3) Kingdom of Italy is everything from the Papal States northward but doesn't include the Islands of Corsica or Venice.
4) The event also supposedly doesn't fire if all of the HRE Italians are vassals of German HRE states but I could only tell this by the event info.
From what I could tell:
1) It can only fire from 1490 to 1550 and it takes 12 months to fire if the entire Kingdom of Italy isn't in the HRE.
2) You don't need to be the emperor to stop it from firing. You can add territory to the HRE so long as you have over 100 in relations to the emperor, and it looks like you just need to add the provinces in the region to stop it.
3) Kingdom of Italy is everything from the Papal States northward but doesn't include the Islands of Corsica or Venice.
4) The event also supposedly doesn't fire if all of the HRE Italians are vassals of German HRE states but I could only tell this by the event info.
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I'd suggest to use the fact that PUs seem to happen more often now to PU Milan (if you're Habsburger) and feed them Italy once it leaves the HRE - with your ideas and stacking diprep sky-high, you could get a pretty high chance to inherit them down the road - and even if you don't, Milan is a pretty decent sidekick, with it's manpower traditions (manpower is now more scarce than before) and the inf CA, so it can help you with wars.
No idea, but I got PU'd by Brandenburg as Lithuania without even sharing a dynasty - just RM. I think the PU calculations got really screwed in CS.