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So, yes, I decided to play as Italy. I ignored the African theater in favor of helping the German's invade France. I took a good helping of the southern provinces before the Vichy event fired. A turn or so later, I get a message saying I couldn't KEEP any of the territory I had just gained, and had to return all my hard won territories to Vichy France.

...

What. The. Heck.

All that effort completely and utterly wasted.
 

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So, yes, I decided to play as Italy. I ignored the African theater in favor of helping the German's invade France. I took a good helping of the southern provinces before the Vichy event fired. A turn or so later, I get a message saying I couldn't KEEP any of the territory I had just gained, and had to return all my hard won territories to Vichy France.

...

What. The. Heck.

All that effort completely and utterly wasted.

Well, not all is lost, Italy can keep Grenoble, Nice and Corsica... :) And yes, I feel your pain.
 

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Only way around that is to stay out of Axis, best course of action I think is to end Ethiopian war quickly and then join Axis (if Germany goes to any war too soon it launches bunch of events that end up making it impossible for them to win, for AI at least). Get all blueprints and stuff, and you can trade with them too once they get Austria. And you don't have to share Yugoslavia if you attack there early enough.
 

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Only way around that is to stay out of Axis, best course of action I think is to end Ethiopian war quickly and then join Axis (if Germany goes to any war too soon it launches bunch of events that end up making it impossible for them to win, for AI at least). Get all blueprints and stuff, and you can trade with them too once they get Austria. And you don't have to share Yugoslavia if you attack there early enough.

Err, you can trade with Germany before Anschluss... Why do you think you can't?

Addition:
- leave axis prior to August 30th 1939 ;)
 

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Err, you can trade with Germany before Anschluss... Why do you think you can't?

Addition:
- leave axis prior to August 30th 1939 ;)

What I meant is that you will lack some resources as Italy, and even if you are at war you can still trade with them since there is land connection :p
 

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So what's a good strategy for Italy then? I don't want to mess about in the mostly worthless African theater. Upon closer inspection, there's next to no resources or IC that would benefit me down there. That, coupled with the low Infra, means it's not worth my time, in my opinion. So...

Should I ally with Germany as soon as I can to gain blueprints, and then leave just before they attack France?

Should I wait until they conquer France and -then- join? Perhaps to attack Greece, Yugoslavia, or Republican Spain?

Any suggestions?
 

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So what's a good strategy for Italy then? I don't want to mess about in the mostly worthless African theater. Upon closer inspection, there's next to no resources or IC that would benefit me down there. That, coupled with the low Infra, means it's not worth my time, in my opinion. So...

Should I ally with Germany as soon as I can to gain blueprints, and then leave just before they attack France?

Should I wait until they conquer France and -then- join? Perhaps to attack Greece, Yugoslavia, or Republican Spain?

Any suggestions?

I think the best course is to concentrate all of your Africa force back to Italy main land.
Yugoslavia, Albania, Bulgaria, Hungary should be all target for expansion.

Depending how strong you want Germany to be, you can even take Austria and Czechoslovakia but Germany might declare war on you. (happened once)

Romania would be interesting, you can definitely annex it too, however, I would prefer to keep Romania a puppet because a)I want a buffer between Soviet so it would less likely to declare war on me. b)it have good number of standing army division and if you can avoid annihilating most of them, you get a strong puppet.

I avoid attacking French because of the complication (wasting time and force while gaining little). Spain is a good target only if you want to control one of the gate to Mediterranean, but for me I believe it would be hard to defend and difficult to transport force back and forth. (Vichy in between and sea rule by Royal Navy)

Then the only problem now is supplies, even with trading, there is still a high chance to not having enough supplies for 100% IC, so the only logical result is to get it from Soviet. :rolleyes:
 

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Spain is a good target only if you want to control one of the gate to Mediterranean, but for me I believe it would be hard to defend and difficult to transport force back and forth. (Vichy in between and sea rule by Royal Navy)
As Italy, not closing the Mediterranean Sea (i.e. controlling both Suez and Gibraltar) is suicide. Once the USA enter the war, the Med will be flooded with Aircraft carriers. The British naval supremacy that you mentioned is a result of you not taking Gibraltar (and necessarily Spain), not the reason for it! ;)