Italian See Lion

[Mountainduke]

Playing TFH single player as Italy.

I know if German boots set foot on London, the Soviets will DOW them.
Does that also count if the Italians do that at pre Barbarossa stage as a member of the Axis?

 

[Charles Reeps]

The script checks to see if the Axis has performed Sea Lion, so an Axis Italian Sea Lion will cause a Soviet DOW.

The way I play Italy is to stay out of the Axis, coup France, conquer it, and do Sea Lion. Though this is near-suicidal and gamey it is possible, but it also weakens Germany significantly. As Italy it will be your responsiblity to save Germany from the Soviets and this will not be easy.

 

[zezeb]

The script checks to see if the Axis has performed Sea Lion, so an Axis Italian Sea Lion will cause a Soviet DOW.

The way I play Italy is to stay out of the Axis, coup France, conquer it, and do Sea Lion. Though this is near-suicidal and gamey it is possible, but it also weakens Germany significantly. As Italy it will be your responsiblity to save Germany from the Soviets and this will not be easy.

A small ammout of quantity against a large ammout of quantity. Italy vs Soviet, in a cinema close to you in 1941!

 

[gunstickuncle]

A small ammout of quantity against a large ammout of quantity. Italy vs Soviet, in a cinema close to you in 1941!

That you are most likely fielding an infantry-based army does not necessarily mean you need to use crap. It's not that hard to outclass the Soviet army by one or several levels in every relevant tech. Especially concerning the Regia Aeronautica.

 

[Charles Reeps]

Especially concerning the Regia Aeronautica.

This is a very good point. Well teched air power will always turn the tide against the Red Horde.

 

[Kovax]

I recall landing Hungarian troops in England in one game. I had taken a port in Yugoslavia, Italy captured Gibraltar, then I used a sub as a spotter to dodge the RN and sneak the TPs through, and the Soviets didn't declare war until right after I took London. That didn't go well for GER, considering that 50% of their army (including 75% of its armor) was wasting away in Norway, while the entire Eastern Front was being manned by about 2 combat divisions and something like 20+ HQs.

 

[21oliver]

In TFH the Soviets do not automatically DOW you if you Sea Lion or even if you take London. That was FTM...I have taken all of the British Isles before and had as little as 20 Divisions on the Soviet border with no DOW. I have played this out many times with no immediate DOW. Im not sure what the mechanism is, but i just wanted to point out its not automatic.

 

[Charles Reeps]

In TFH the Soviets do not automatically DOW you if you Sea Lion or even if you take London. That was FTM...I have taken all of the British Isles before and had as little as 20 Divisions on the Soviet border with no DOW. I have played this out many times with no immediate DOW. Im not sure what the mechanism is, but i just wanted to point out its not automatic.

Correct - to prevent suicidal behavior the AI calculates its chances of success before a DOW. I've had the Soviets never DOW after I've taken England.

 

[21oliver]

The interesting thing is on several occasions ive had as little as 20 divisions on the Eastern Front. I also in a recent game, before taking Poland launched Sea Lion and had the Soviet Union immediately DOW me, before i took anything but a single port and without us sharing a common border (i always found that amusing)...