Italian reunification

[Belegurt]

At the time there where different movements and different ideas for a unified italy... there where those who hoped for a Borbone centric kingdom, the result would have probably been a more russian-like government than the industrialized Savoian creation;
There was also the idea of a papal egemony with, probably, a strong central power (much like teh austrian government) and yet a bit feudal like;
Still the confederation was a possible (even if really difficult) outcome...

are they possible in victoria?

i mean, i know that it will be possible to unify italy by war with every italian state but, for example, the papal egemony could have been reached with diplomacy and catholic revolts in the different states... that was the project of some carbonari groups while Naples would have probably have had to go through open war

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Many month ago i have open a similar topic.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477026 but for other motivation.

I don't think that a Bourboun kingdom should be necessary a "feudal state" (The Bourboun want to modernize, but the Sicilan Aristocrats, the barons, stop they many times.) or the Savoyard a "Industrial State" (The kingdom born from the Savoy unification is an industrial state only in half part.) , depend from the choiche of the player.

But i think and i agree, that should be more "option" for the Italian peninsula. The standard unification, or the federal unification with Three great state, North, Central and South as satellite of a third state or one of those, or the confederacy under the pope etc... all real possibile option in the 19th century.

Like Germany that have the option of the North and German confederation or a one single Germany.

EDIT: From Developer's Diary i have see that is possible unify with sphere of influence.

 

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From the Christmas developer diary (link):

There are two ways you can form a Union Tag. Firstly is by being the the biggest baddest country in the culture group. You are a great power and no other great power has any influence there. You should be thinking along the lines of spheres of influence and province holding here. Spheres of influence can be won and lost on the battlefield, so if you as Prussia defeat Austria in war, you could perhaps get the South German minors out of the Austria Sphere of influence and into the Prussia one. Perhaps you may then need to fight France to remove their influence in Germany, or do you need to conquer the German cores, I don't know? However, once this is done it is time for three Hurrays for the German Emperor. The remaining German minors now get the option to join the new Germany (the AI is odds on to agree this, but a player has a few more options) Now the beauty of this system is that not only allow for a historic crack at forming Germany, but ahistoric possibilities like a powerful Bavaria supplanting Prussia to form Germany is also possible. Perhaps a collapse of both Austria and France will pave the way for Germany without war?

Onto the second way, via liberal revolution. Liberals who live a country of their culture type and the union tag does not exist, and are militant consider becoming Pan-Nationalist rebels. Their logic is simple, our country isn't liberal enough because the liberal voice is not being heard, if the country had a few more liberals then we would be heard. Our neighbour of the same culture group has liberals, let's join together for a louder liberal voice. When Pan-Nationalist rebels overthrow a government they offer the union tag to the most powerful country who meets the conditions. If they accept they become the Union tag and get the chance to inherit only those countries who have a liberal revolution in progress. Thus in 1848 it might not be worthwhile for Prussia to accept the German crown, but in 1859 it may just make sense for Piedmont to accept the Italian crown. Again we set up a historical option with flexibility. If you managed to take on all comers as Brunswick, why should you not form the new Liberal Germany? Note the USCA, also a union tag, does from time to time stage a comeback with this model, but probably won't last. What are the odds of that?

So what does that mean? Well, I read it this way:

Option 1: Modena or Parma (or any Italian state) manage to conquer or defeat every other Italian state, and either annex them, puppet them or at least pull them out of other countries' (Austria's) sphere, i.e. remove the influence of other countries. They manage to become a Great Power in the process, stronger than any other Italian country. Then, as soon as they have removed the last Italian country from Austria's or France's sphere of influence, they will automatically get an event which turns them into Italy and makes them inherit all the other Italian countries, regardless of their form of government. Even Bourbon Sicily can do it. But they will have to fight Austria before they can succeed.

Option 2: If Modena or Parma manage to beat Sardinia-Piedmont, become liberal constitutional monarchies, and liberal rebels overthrow the government of other Italian states, then the rebels will offer the crown of Italy to Modena or Parma, and Modena or Parma will become the Kingdom of Italy, inheriting all Italian states which have a liberal revolution! Only liberal countries can do this. (King did not say what the exact conditions are.) You do not have to defeat Austria to do this.

Is that what you are looking for?

 

[jordarkelf]

Re- unificiation? Italy was NEVER a unified political entity between the time of the Romans and the Neapolitan Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. Historically 'Italy' was the north half (modern "Padania"), and the rest was Naples.

But yeah, it will be possible to form Italy as Leviathan posted.

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Re- unificiation? Italy was NEVER a unified political entity between the time of the Romans and the Neapolitan Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. Historically 'Italy' was the north half (modern "Padania"), and the rest was Naples.

But yeah, it will be possible to form Italy as Leviathan posted.

Maybe he talk about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnum_Italicum is unfied under Longobard, with a total war against the byzantine for the control of all the peninsula and isles, also is unified under the ostroghots.

Also many times the entire italian peninsula in is history try the unification, from north to south, from south to north, especially in middle age and rennaisance. (For example with Manfredi and Ladislao I de Durazzo.)

is true that in history often Italy is the word to intend Northern and part of center italy, but in history the term are changed many times in the situation a context, the term of geography are changing, even many times in the period during the Roman Empire and the unification in 1861.

But yes, "unification" is a better term than "re unification. "