Italian language for Stellaris

[Lichslayer]

By now remained a minority of italians who pretend the translation of games in our mother language, and unfortunately many of them appear unnecessarily arrogant...
We're not all like that, many of us have made English the preferred language for video games, movies and TV series...

Btw, on steam, italian language still remain until the first day of preorder (only for knowledge)...

Don't understand a single sentence. English, kind sir, doest thou speak it?

 

[skyspace]

Don't understand a single sentence. English, kind sir, doest thou speak it?

And we are, italian people, arrogant...right...
I understood, so....the problem is yours if you can't understand a sentence with perfect grammar
Gaslinger has declared his opinion. You can agree or disagree. But, please, don't transform the theard in a place of attack against other nationalities or about english skills.
Good day

 

[J-S]

I'm italian too, and I always play Paradox games in English,,, I would like the game in italian but it's not a problem playing English for me.

I'm german, all Paradox games have a german localisation but I still play it in english because the experience is just much better. The german localisation often is somewhat weirdly phrased (to be fair haven't played in germany anymore since CK2 vanilla) and sometimes even just missing, specially with new events or decisions after an expansion DLC. I play EU4 multiplayer regularly with some people who play the game in german and from time to time they complain over teamspeak that they have an event or a decision without a proper text or the choices don't tell them what they actually mean.
So even for a bigger market as the german one the localisation isn't that great. I don't think you miss much by having no italian version.

 

[ecololuc]

Adding my voice to the other's, I'm playing my Paradox games in english because of lousy french localisations. I understand that it is hard to make a good translation, but neither HOI 3, EU 3 and 4 or Vicky 2 were especially well translated, and they all had problems like provinces without names, events without translations... That's so problematic that there are, at least in french, mods to improve the localisation!

I don't know where the problem comes from, if it's the localisation companies that are bad, lazy or don't have enough time, or maybe the money allocated to localisations is not sufficent enough, but that's a point on which you can improve your games Paradox! (And I love your games and I'd love to see them improved as much as they can!)

 

[Giacomo1405]

i am italian, and i always play games only in english (even if there is the italian localisation)...
it's far better to use the language that the game was developed in, instead of a translation (probably inaccurate)... besides, all mods need to be in english and with another localisation you'd loose a lot!

just like movies, tv-shows and books, the original language is always far superior to the translations

 

[skyspace]

Ah..
Gaslinger, english in paradox game is not so difficult you could try

 

[IIWW]

There never was any italian localisation planned.

For quite a long time Italian was listed on Steam. I understand it was not planned, but such information was given by someone on an official platform.

 

[aruon]

isn't italian localisation generally passed up in favor of simply using spanish or portuguese? since the 3 languages are borderline mutually intelligible?

 

[Giacomo1405]

isn't italian localisation generally passed up in favor of simply using spanish or portuguese? since the 3 languages are borderline mutually intelligible?

spanish is close enough to be intelligible, but different enough that
for a standard italian who never studied spanish, english would be easier to understand (since, in italy, english it's mandatory in middle and high school; 8 years total)

 

[Chaos_TLW]

isn't italian localisation generally passed up in favor of simply using spanish or portuguese? since the 3 languages are borderline mutually intelligible?

If you studied at least a bit of the other language you should be fine for written text(spoken is a very different beast), but without any contact it can get difficult in particular moments. I am Brazilian, and I'm sometimes stumped at texts in Spanish because although grammar is similar enough(not identical but still), I often don't know the meaning of specific words. As an example, pantalones(pants) in Spanish is more similar to English than to the word in Portuguese(calças). Often this is because of changes in slang and such other changes in vocabullary since our two languages split some 1000+ years ago. The occasional differences in grammar can also be a hurdle as you're not expecting them, so they can be even more confusing.

Think of it like trying to read a paragraph of Australian English full of local slang to which you have never had any contact. You'll be able to identify the structure and grammar and with some context you *might* have some idea of what it is trying to say, but otherwise it will probably sound like gibberish. Its a bit of an extreme analogy because the changes are more subtle but it gives you a good enough idea.

 

[Cpack]

Well, one good side effect:
I was not really good in english language (maybe still not), but I bought and played all HOI games since 13 years in english and read and post in these forums and it really helped me on business trips to locations all over the world to get constantly used to english.

But I'm really thinking about playing Stellaris in German, because there're so many words/phrases I hardly understand. Space is a little bit more complicated than WW2

I think there will be some people around who translate the game into several other languages

 

[Bragi]

And we are, italian people, arrogant...right...
I understood, so....the problem is yours if you can't understand a sentence with perfect grammar
Gaslinger has declared his opinion. You can agree or disagree. But, please, don't transform the theard in a place of attack against other nationalities or about english skills.
Good day

As I understand, Lichslayer only used the fact that Malneus Calgar advocates the preference of the English language while making mistakes, to point out that this behaviour is goddamn cocky. It has f***ing nothing to do with nationalism, no need to celebrate an imaginary victimhood here.

To prefer one language to another is perfectly finde, but to state that everyone who prefers his native over a foreign language does obviously miss the deeper sence or whatever is arrogant and pathetic.

Don't get me wrong, I play CK2 in English (kind of a coincidence), EU4 in German (I love the translation errors, half the fun!), write English in the forums (obv) and yeah, my girldfriend is british, so I visit London regularly. And I have to watch BBC and stuff lol (and sometimes East Enders, bear with me )
But that doesn't mean that the people around me are sooo missing the whole spirit/sense/meaning of life because they do their shit in German. Certainly not.

Sorry guys, no offense intended, really.

 

[Wuz]

German, Italian, Spanish and French are all the old "big ones" and as such it makes sense that they are the languages that get localized. I mean, just look at Swedish. The studio is from Sweden, in Sweden even, and they aren't localizing it accordingly. Writing takes time, longer than one would expect, and to include localization for languages that aren't as widespread as ESP, GER, ENG and FR would just take up resources that would be more valuable somewhere else.

 

[barny]

I play my games in English basically since Deus Ex 1. Even though I was always bad in English class at school (as one can still see with my postings here ), I just don't like most of the English translations, specially since most games are designed and written in English in the first place.

 

[IIWW]

I demand Stellaris to be released in Silesian!

 

[Nikolai]

My Italian uncle learned Norwegian in 4 months. English is much easier to learn, and my experience is many Italians know it well. I guess Italy is not an important enough market due to that to translate it.

 

[RickMP80]

spanish is close enough to be intelligible, but different enough that
for a standard italian who never studied spanish, english would be easier to understand (since, in italy, english it's mandatory in middle and high school; 8 years total)

I'm Italian and I know spanish better than English (I never studied English in my italian school, only french) but I always preffered playing in English...

 

[TheAtreides84]

As an italian with a good command of english, on one hand I'm happy that my countrymen are at least forced to learn a bit of english to play games (God knows if they need to learn things...), on the other hand it's a bit strange seeing polish, russian and brazilian, and no italian. Are those markets really that much bigger?

 

[bobthedog]

There never was any italian localisation planned.

I've been wondering for a while about the localization process at Pdx. Do you guys handle the localization process in-house or do you outsource all of it? In other words, where/to whom should I send business proposals as a Brazilian Portuguese translator?

 

[ParagonExile]

This thread makes me really happy I'm fluent in English. I imagine constantly having your native language not supported in mainstream media gets annoying. Though I suppose I probably see more English media in Canada than people do in Italy or Russia :3