Italian events

[Carroarmato-P40]

I would like to post a couple of events which should occur for Italy.

1: The Roman protocols, the Austro/Hungarian/Italian pacts of mutual protection and frontier integrity.

2: Exiling the King, deposing Vittorio Emanuelle III to the U.K. and estabilishing Mussolini and undisputed head of state and govt.

3: Reclaiming unredeemed Italy, occuring at Vichy France, allows Italy to annex Nice , Corsica and Tunisia from France, and allows option to declare war on Yugo to retreive Dalmatian coast provinces.

 

[JRaup]

I would like to post a couple of events which should occur for Italy.

1: The Roman protocols, the Austro/Hungarian/Italian pacts of mutual protection and frontier integrity.

We had a series for that In CORE1, and I expect that they will return for CORE2 at some point.

2: Exiling the King, deposing Vittorio Emanuelle III to the U.K. and estabilishing Mussolini and undisputed head of state and govt.

I don;t think that there's anything specifically dealing with this, in vanilla it's aprt of the Italian surrender chain, from Mussolini's dismissal, to the formation of the RSI, and I think there's a post war event dealing with the monarchy, but I don't remember exactly about that last part.

3: Reclaiming unredeemed Italy, occuring at Vichy France, allows Italy to annex Nice , Corsica and Tunisia from France, and allows option to declare war on Yugo to retreive Dalmatian coast provinces.

I need to look at the Italian portions of the Vichy chain again to be sure here. But I think Italy gets Nice when Vichy forms. As Italy didn't occupy Tunisia, or Corsica (until after the dissolution of Vichy), I doubt those will be included. As for the Dalmatian coast, Italy gets claims on those from the start, and will spam Yugoslavia with demands for the provinces. They will also whole heartedly join in an Axis invasion of Yugoslavia. So, I don't think that anything needs to be done on this aspect.

 

[unmerged(39925)]

I always thought Italy declared war and got badly PWNed by the Yugo army, so Germany took control of the invasion and took Yugo(later Italy invaded Greece 3 times before Germany took it lol).

 

[JRaup]

I always thought Italy declared war and got badly PWNed by the Yugo army, so Germany took control of the invasion and took Yugo(later Italy invaded Greece 3 times before Germany took it lol).

Nope. Italy DOW'ed Greece, got beaten back badly, which prompted the German invasion of Yugoslavia (after the pro-Allied coup), so as to support Italian adventurism in Greece.

 

[unmerged(39925)]

I knew about the coup, just not like how this all happened =\. Sorry I am not the best in WWII Balkans(I am pretty good about France and a little bout Poland).

 

[Carroarmato-P40]

Italen

Yeah, the Axis friendly govt in Yugoslavia was overthrown in a revolt, the prevailing govt was an anti-fascist (supposedly supported by Stalin) and DoW on the Axis powers (Italy for shure, not sure bout Ger). This occured whilst the Italians were getting rebuffed from Greece.

Mussolini was convinced by a pathetic and self centred Lt General (forgot his name) he convinced Mussolini that he could conquer Greece with only three divisions and in quick time (as we know, Lt General can ONLY command 3 divs, any more and he would have to have relinquished command).

After Hitler recieved news that the Greeks where infact advancing into Italian Albania, the Germans acted and sent 6 Divisions to bail the Italians out, then as we know, the Axis set up an Axis friendly Croatia centred at Zagreb. This invasion of Greece could infact become an event for Italy also.


The first HOI allowed Italy to claim Tunisia, Corsica, Nice/Toulon and Dalmatian coast (Tunisia, Nice/Toulon and Corsica being unclaimable in HOI2), this should be changed, and even the for the French holdings, there should be an event decided by Germany (similar to Vienna dictait).
-ITALY CLAIM 'UNREDEEMED ITALY' FROM VICHY-
Germany 75% - 25% chance yes - no.


Also, lastly about the King, it was true Vittorio Emmanuele wasn't exiled untill 1946 by a national referendum (Lost by a very, very slim majority) and was thus exiled by the ISR (Italian Social Republic). However, maybe the Facist Italians can have an event to dismiss Vittorio Emanuelle from office (Head of State) and have Musso take over him (as Mussolini was basically both head of Govt and State as dictator).

 

[unmerged(39925)]

Well, there is an event as Germany where it says coup in Yugoslavia, prepare to invade?

 

[unmerged(46102)]

yes

i have to agree there should be a events for that cause its damn annoying playing as italy, taking over half the world but doesnt own corsica

oww and why the hell does italies army start off with like 70% strength on the 1939 campaign

 

[Ghost_dk]

The reason for the units being understrength is is quite easy, they actually were.

 

[unmerged(13931)]

The reason for the units being understrength is is quite easy, they actually were.

The Duce used binary divisions (1 less regiment) so as to claim that Italy had a higher number of divisions than it actually had. However this had a severe impact on the italian war effort, more on that later if requested, but this is neither place nor time.

Oh yes and thanks again CORE Team for the magnificient effort (although i am also a bit impatient), and continued work on the mod.

 

[shaka]

Don't forget the World Cup in 1938: the Duce really wanted to win it to show the strenghth of fascism to the world. The event should produce some increase in cash (more prestige) and alignment toward fascism, maybe also in Hungary which lose the final match against Italy.

 

[unmerged(26501)]

Some more events for Italy to consider

Italy is the country I play the most, being Italian I am predisposed towards Italy, but I've noticed the lack of events for Italy. I know the RSI is included in the game, but is the events leading up to it as well, such as ousting of Mussolini, Italian Surrender, and eventual switching of sides. I have not seen any of these events happen, because I have not done that badly as Italy, so i would like to know if they are included. Also I have some things to add, that I'm pretty sure are not included in the game.

On January 8th, 1944, a tribunal authorized by the Council of Ministers on October 13th, 1943, was convened. Present were Ciano, returned to RSI police on October 14th, 1943 by the Germans, along with Emilio de Bono, Giovanni Marinelli, Tullio Cianetti, Carlo Pareschi and Luciano Gottardi. The defendants explained their vote of no confidence at the Grand Council meeting on July 25th 1943. They declared that they did not intend to diminish the role of Mussolini, only to give the King authority over the military. The Tribunal concluded on Jan 10th, 1944 with the sentence of death. Ciano, Marshal de Bono, Giovanni Marinelli, Carlo Pareschi and Luciano Gottardi were executed by firing squad the morning of Jan 11th, 1944. Cianetti's life was spared with a prison sentence of 30 years.

Fascism is strong execute the traitorous Grand Council Members
Spare the lives of the traitors


That could be an event, change the options or what not, but I would like to see that included. My expertise is Italian History, so if you would like me to come up with some more things, I would be more than happy to do so.

 

[MateDow]

Italy is the country I play the most, being Italian I am predisposed towards Italy, but I've noticed the lack of events for Italy...

...That could be an event, change the options or what not, but I would like to see that included. My expertise is Italian History, so if you would like me to come up with some more things, I would be more than happy to do so.

Have you finished any of your Italian events that you were working on? If you have, drop me a PM so I can contact you. I am starting to collect events for review and possible integration into CORE2. MDow

 

[unmerged(26501)]

Quick to help anyone out

Some are done, and all they are, are the texts for the events, just to let you know. It'll take me a while to find them all, but once i do, ill post em.

 

[unmerged(21069)]

Mussolini was convinced by a pathetic and self centred Lt General (forgot his name) he convinced Mussolini that he could conquer Greece with only three divisions and in quick time (as we know, Lt General can ONLY command 3 divs, any more and he would have to have relinquished command).

After Hitler recieved news that the Greeks where infact advancing into Italian Albania, the Germans acted and sent 6 Divisions to bail the Italians out, then as we know, the Axis set up an Axis friendly Croatia centred at Zagreb. This invasion of Greece could infact become an event for Italy also.

The general you're thinking of was Visconti Prasca, commander of Italian forces in the Kingdom of Albania. The Italians had long eyed an invasion of either Greece or Yugoslavia, and after Hitler stationed a garrison of German troops in Bucharest, Mussolini and Ciano felt a need to reassert Italian influence in the Balkans so as to insure their continued access to Romanian oil supplies (people love to paint the invasion of Greece as Benito Mussolini's ego trip, which does not have more than the slightest basis in fact, the invasion's biggest champion was Galeazzo Ciano). Anyway, the normal Italian invasion plan called for 27 divisions, and Badoglio was horrified at the idea of an invasion w/ anything less than that number of troops. However, when asked for his opinion the garrison commander in Albania, Visconti Prasca, said that his 6 divisions combined with planned landings on the Greek coast and a plan to bribe several key Greek generals would be enough for the invasion. Unfortunately for the Italians, during the month they spent planning for their invasion, the Greeks reinforced their north western frontier area, the weather got muddy, British intelligence offered the generals double their money, and the landings were eventually called off because of bad weather. This left Prasca and his 6 divisions to get beaten to a pulp in an almost impassable, muddy, remote corner of the world.

BTW, the Italians also participated in the invasion of Yugoslavia and had every bit as much success as the Germans, they drove all the way down the Yugoslavian coast. Also, the dissident Utash Croatians had been backed by the Italians for decades before WWII.

The first HOI allowed Italy to claim Tunisia, Corsica, Nice/Toulon and Dalmatian coast (Tunisia, Nice/Toulon and Corsica being unclaimable in HOI2), this should be changed, and even the for the French holdings, there should be an event decided by Germany (similar to Vienna dictait).
-ITALY CLAIM 'UNREDEEMED ITALY' FROM VICHY-
Germany 75% - 25% chance yes - no.

If Italy hold Marseille, it should get a big chunk of Southern France, if it doesn't, it shouldn't.

 

[Carroarmato-P40]

Just reading these new posts, can we also get that HOI1 event that allows Italy to support some Croatian rebels (sry forgot it name).

Lastly, one thing I have noticed is that although there wasn't an event for it as such, the Italians could claim Malta, Corsica, Tunisia and Savouy as they (The French controlled provs) could be demanded from Vichy as soon as it was set up. The success rate of rightfully claiming the areas were quite high if you did it as soon as the Vichy France event occurs.

 

[Carroarmato-P40]

So, is there any chance the "unredeemed Italy" event will be created, this one is the biggy, let into the MoD... please.....

 

[JRaup]

Just reading these new posts, can we also get that HOI1 event that allows Italy to support some Croatian rebels (sry forgot it name).

As I remember, there were events for Italian and Hungarian support of the Ustache (sp?) in Yugoslavia. I'm fairly certain they will be brought over into CORE2.

Lastly, one thing I have noticed is that although there wasn't an event for it as such, the Italians could claim Malta, Corsica, Tunisia and Savouy as they (The French controlled provs) could be demanded from Vichy as soon as it was set up. The success rate of rightfully claiming the areas were quite high if you did it as soon as the Vichy France event occurs.

Perhaps. I really can't say moe than that right now, especially untill we've seen the events. As things stand right now, it could be included as an ahistorical option, with say a 1% AI chance. The main issue here is how the AI will handle this. It's really bad at having huge multiple fronts (Just look at the Japanese AI), so this may be more trouble for the Italian AI than it's worth.

 

[Carroarmato-P40]

Perhaps. I really can't say moe than that right now, especially untill we've seen the events. As things stand right now, it could be included as an ahistorical option, with say a 1% AI chance. The main issue here is how the AI will handle this. It's really bad at having huge multiple fronts (Just look at the Japanese AI), so this may be more trouble for the Italian AI than it's worth.

Either way, if the Italians do join the Axis, they will have to fight in North Africa, giving the Italians Tunisia will provide a buffer in which they can rally and maybe counter attack the Poms, on one occasion I noticed the Italians became the Master of allied owned Africa and annexed South Africa without loosing any troops in the Ethiopian envelopment. Also having Italian gain a few French provinces will add to Italy's badly pwned IC capacity. As one bloke said, it is wierd having Italy being the Master of the Mediterranian and yet it doesn't even control Corsica, which is ethnically Italian as such.

 

[Iosoncoluicheé]

I agree Italy should be able to claim Nice, Corsica and Tunisia, particularly if they do well (i.e. if they occupy Marseille?) in the war. Also, after the fall of Yugoslavia Italy annexed Slovenia and the Dalmatian coast.
There could be an option for Mussolini to get rid of the king, an idea he shortly played with after the victory in Ethiopia. But this would be a big "what if", as it would require a revised Italian collapse sequence. Also, if Italy chooses this path, it should get a big dissent hit.
If - when Italy enters the war on the Axis side, and if attacks Greece, it should be plagued with more dissent for failures in North Africa, Greece and Ethiopia (dissent grows if Italy does not control Tobruk, Athens and Addis Ababa).

More Italian events I'd like to see:
- Mussolini backs down in Ethiopia: Italy does not invade Ethiopia (in game terms they sign an immediate peace) and gets closer to France and GB, maybe in exchange for territories like Djibuti, Tunisia and - or Malta (an idea briefly considered by Italian and French diplomats in 1935)
- Italian troops use chemical weapons in Ethiopia: worsen relations with almost everyone but gives some sort of attack bonus (maybe supply, to put the Italian expeditionary corp in attack supply?).
- If British troops take Tobruk in 1940 - 1941, than Graziani (who, by the way, is highly overrated in game terms) is permanently removed.
- If Italian troops attack Greece and are repelled (i.e. they do not control any province in Greek mainland within a couple of months) Badoglio is permanently removed.