It still isnt fun to play with the reduced manpower pool

[necro84]

Were 500k regular army or conscripts without proper training and weapons?

This is one example and I'm not sure 800k infantry can be considered real army

Battle of Yehuling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hermerico]

I don't think you understand. They had actual 500k troop deployed. Not manpower reserves. If we are being real Chinese province need like 50 manpower dev. They are both bigger in size and denser in population.

This is a gross exageration in a double digit magnitude.

A mere 5 manpower in every Chinese province + building Trainning grounds (and 0 autonomy) is already enough for 500k manpower.
This is not even including any other sources of manpower from ideas, goverment reforms, estates or any other source. This is also ignoring insta manpower-sources such as slackening stsndards or exploiting development, meaning that the total potential manpower is still quite larger than the value in the lnterface.

It should also be notable that eu4 manpower seem to be exclusively frontline troops, not including garrisons or logistical forces. Which those 500k are probably including.

 

[TK3600]

Sure, but what % of that was only ever locally deployed as a police / rebel deterrence force? The simple fact is the game allows much more freedom of use for the military than was actually the case. They could implement systems so the historic army sizes of larger nations were reached but in return they would also have to do something to lock them in place as well if the aim is historicity.

They were actively deployed for combat yes. They may be militia but not many country are like Prussia going professionalism.

 

[TK3600]

This is a gross exageration in a double digit magnitude.

A mere 5 manpower in every Chinese province + building Trainning grounds (and 0 autonomy) is already enough for 500k manpower.
This is not even including any other sources of manpower from ideas, goverment reforms, estates or any other source. This is also ignoring insta manpower-sources such as slackening stsndards or exploiting development, meaning that the total potential manpower is still quite larger than the value in the lnterface.

It should also be notable that eu4 manpower seem to be exclusively frontline troops, not including garrisons or logistical forces. Which those 500k are probably including.

Ok buddy. Chinese population were around entire Europe at the time. Interestingly if you put entire Europe together in EU4 you can also get 500k troop limit. In terms of population no European country went over China even after industrialisation. Napoleon mustered 600k later on with around same population. 500k is not absurd at all.

Edit: 1500 Ming had 60 million, 1500 Europe estimate to have 61 million population.

 

[FishieFan]

Ok buddy. Chinese population were around entire Europe at the time. Interestingly if you put entire Europe together in EU4 you can also get 500k troop limit. In terms of population no European country went over China even after industrialisation. Napoleon mustered 600k later on with around same population. 500k is not absurd at all.

Edit: 1500 Ming had 60 million, 1500 Europe estimate to have 61 million population.

End period with end period supply limit vs 1444 supply limit. Where the supply system is trivial, historical chinese numbers will be op

 

[TK3600]

Also someone mentioned 500k I mentioned contained garrision and police. If I actually counted undeployable troops like those Ming would had 1.3 million by 1500.