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You're doing pretty well against the Soviets, given your focus was naval. Though was it really necessary to sink the Red Navy? It's not as if they were any danger to even a swimming child. :D
 

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Dönitz is probably a better and more innovative strategist than Raeder, but perhaps not so good a politician. Although I'd prefer Dönitz in charge of the Kriegsmarine, I wonder if he has what it takes to secure the necessary resources in competition with the Army and Air Force.

On the other hand, if the KM can pull off a great propaganda victory such as sinking the Soviet Navy, that would give them a better negotiating position.
 

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You seem to be making quite good progress. I find that the Russian resources are the edge one needs to defeat the USA. It is possible to win even a two front war if sufficient of the USSR is under your booted heel.

Don't forget to use the winter to attack the Russians and break their lines, then bomb the shit out of the tretreating armies. Don't advance with any of your own units until you've ensured that most of the opposing forces are destroyed. (So attack, break off after defeating the Russians, bomb. Repeat until no more Russians appear)

I disagree Myth, I child could quite badly stub a toe on one of those shallow diving old subs they have. Better sink them all.:D

I Always preferred Saalwächter. Probably with Carls the most forward thinking member of the upper ranks of the Kriegsmarine. But Hitler did pick Dönitz as his successor. (Even if Dönitz did massively misinterpret his own importance after that.) So he can't have been entirely void of political sense, or at least was able to charm Hitler.

You write to fast, I can't manage a reply per update. How do I achieve flag rank this way?;)

Thanks for writing, DW
 

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I usually switch to Saalwächter myself.
 

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Paranoid Tsar: ..."They're trying to make me into a politician," Doenitz thought bitterly.

tsk, tsk ! ! those feelings need to be remembered for future action ! ! :eek:

Paranoid Tsar:
...Next: 1942!

looking forward to that 'Next:' ! ! :D

Paranoid Tsar:
...One question for everyone! Who would you rather see as Grand Admiral: Raeder or Doenitz?

BOTH ! ! also, IIRC, you can promote Saalwächter as well ! ! :)

that said, i would promote Raeder first to retain the current "chain of command" structure.

excellent updates ! ! :cool:


lastly, to answer what seems to me to be an unasked question: you can manually promote ANY leader to the highest rank. also (IIRC), autopromote also promotes leaders beyond what was achieved historically...
 

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Fantastic update, gotta love that TIME cover ;)

Liked the urban-fighting part, reminds me a bit of Full Metal Jacket.

I'm sure the US will get pulled into the war sooner or later, if not by Japan then by some megalomaniac action by Hitler :D
Russia seems unable to offer any real resistance, maybe Narvik could be used as port for some marine action against Archangelsk? Faster than forcing your way all through the forests and swamps.

I'd like to see Dönitz as Grand-Admiral after all the successes of the U-Boats. Maybe Raeder resigns after he cannot cope with another possible loss of the Scharnhorst ;) If she'd go down a third or fourth time I don't think that his honor wouldn't take some scratches. If England is conquered, that would be to a great extent due to the efforts of Dönitz and his U-Boats, so maybe he should get that honor once the fruits of his hard labor are ripe and taken.
 

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Leave Raeder to the political runnings of the Kriegsmarine, while Doenitz does the day-to-day work of sinking stuff with his subs. Doenitz does not appear to have the mindset to be a political leader, at least not yet.

Mind you, that opinion is purely based on the narrative perspective. If you're asking about which minister will give you the most benefit in the game, I'm utterly clueless.

Nice scene of the fighting in Leningrad - you even managed to work in the winter weather. Good examples of the brutality of war in general, and war on the Ostfront in particular.

Sinking the Soviet fleet is perhaps not strategically necessary, but I posit that it is a merciful thing to do to those outdated, rusty hulks. ;)

As far as the US entry into the war goes, I believe that the Pearl Harbor event doesn't have to fire on 12/7/1941. I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen a few days or weeks later. Even if the AI refuses to pull the trigger, you could always F12 it in - as weak as the British currently are, you might even be doing the Japanese a favor that way. :)
 

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As far as the US entry into the war goes, I believe that the Pearl Harbor event doesn't have to fire on 12/7/1941. I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen a few days or weeks later. Even if the AI refuses to pull the trigger, you could always F12 it in - as weak as the British currently are, you might even be doing the Japanese a favor that way. :)

I can confirm that. In my very first game way back in the day, Pearl Harbor didn't fire until November 1942. It's happened even later occasionally.
 

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Both could be Grand Admirals. :p

Btw, why is there no division named after Geiserik? :(
The vandal king that lead the vandals to Rome with his fleet that managed to gain an hegemony over the western Mediterranean.

You could also invent a rank of Reichsadmiral. ;)
We have Göring as Reichsmarschall, so why not promote Raeder who has managed a lot in this AAR against the Britons as Reichsadmiral?

I agree with Enewald. Symbolic rank would suit Raeder better.
 

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Arrgghh!!!! I can't believe I let a Naval AAR get as far as 13 pages before I noticed it!:mad:

Anyways, they are my favourite kind and I wish you luck.

At the start I was expecting the usual uninspired KM AAR, but you have proven that expectation wrong.:)

You are doing a good job, and anyone who beleives SS are uselss only needs to read Blue Emu's Thread and this AAR.

While I'm going to hold off on most advice for now, I will give a little.

Sinking the Pride of the Red Navy would indeed be a propaganda coup, hopefully you get it accomplished in the next engagement, because after they lose that last surprise line they will become very difficult to spot and engage, especially the SS's. Often you need to sopt this ships and sink them by AIRm which might prove embarassing. In short, make shure you have a fleet capable of sinking this entire threat, 30 or so.

I'm also surprised you haven't secured Suez yet. Another thing to put on your priority list.

Anyways, shorten my name to von Mauser. I think the rank Midshipman-Major might be confusing.:p

Anyways I look forward to the next update and eagerly subscribe to this AAR.
 

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The U-12 was bathed in the bright lights of New York City, lights that seemed to suggest a carefree world that had been lost. While the flames of war devoured most of the earth's surface the people of America continued to treat this Armageddon as grist for magazine covers and something to fill awkward pauses in conversation.

From the bridge Commander Schultz scanned the glowing horizon. New York. The heart of American decadence and weakness, a place where Marxism dressed in the clothes of Democracy quietly manipulated a people who cared only about comfort. That's what he had been taught, at least. It looked like any other coastal city to his eyes, just bigger.

Removing his fingers from his gloves he pressed his bare hands over tingling ears for a moment. He missed the warmer weather near Spain. He wasn't going to complain, though, not with many of his countrymen freezing on the Red Front.

The orders he had been expecting had yet to arrive and the mood was tense, not unlike it had been in August of '39 before the war had come. Obviously he wasn't here to target the British. There was no reason to pull his boat from the "gold mine" of convoy hunting they had discovered off the coast of Portugal.

No reason, except for the obvious.

Those lights won't be so bright for much longer, he suspected.

"Commander, the order have come! Double coded, top priority!" The urgent voice from within the steel wolf called the submariner below.

Schultz was almost certain what the order would be. He was also completely wrong.

"You are ordered to return to the Biscay base immediately. You are being reassigned."

As the U-Boat sailed east the coastal lights slowly faded away, leaving only the faintest moonlight cutting through the heavy shroud of night.

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More ASW to the bottom

With the war in the East slowing because of the winter the naval battles heat up. The first bit of business is the continuance of Operation Lightning Bolt. It started when the Baltic Fleet made a surprise contact with some decrepit Soviet Battleships. The transport fleet emerges victorious, but more serious forces are deployed in hopes of performing some mercy killings on these aging rust-buckets.

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Red storm rising?

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I guess not

Unfortunately this ends up being a largely fruitless bug-hunt. With the completion of the Carrier Clausewitz our carrier fleet performs a port strike in Viipuri. This results in some damaged destroyers, but no kills. The Carrier group is called away in anticipation of trouble in the West.

Britain just won't give up on doomed Operation Jupiter attempts! Enough already!

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Another hard hit

As expected the early months of 1942 provide nice hunting for the U-Boat arm. 188 convoy ships have been sunk and the remnants of the main British fleet are further punished. How much longer can the U.K. hang on? I'll give them credit for fighting to the finish, if nothing else.

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Winning by losing

The USA and Japan finally came to blows on February 28. Incredibly, America has not joined the Allies or declared war on us...yet. History is half way corrected, come on guys let's put the other arm into the sweater.

The advance in the Soviet Union is now threatening Moscow. When the weather improves, we'll be launching an offensive there and in the Crimea.

Work has begun on our first Level V Battle Cruiser Mecklenburg and the Battleship Munchen-Oberbayern. The Kriegsmarine is well on its way to being the best in the world, especially with the rapid collapse of the Royal Navy.

Now I just have to wait and see if the USA wants to test us.
 

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Damn, you really have to give some sort of credit to the British AI, they just will not give up on Norway! I've played for a long time and I've never seen them this adamant about Norway. The most I ever got was two invasions.

I notice the British took over most of the Spanish Ships, I'm assuming you made no contact with the once vaunted Spanish Navy during the invasion?

At least you got one of the Soviet Battleships, the Marat no-less.

Anyways, what has happened to Goring? With new offensive coming up, demands for Air Support will be he high, but the naval war is still heating up. I think it is time for a confrontation! The KM needs those planes so it can begin to launch Port Strikes on the SU and UK!
 
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Enewald: I'm pretty close to decided on what will happen with the Naval Command, but it will have to stay a secret for now. A little shuffling is coming for sure. I'll have to add "Geiserik" to the list. The Marine production is beginning to step up again in preparation for a few special operations. :D

TheHyphenated1: It's hard to believe they used to create such nice covers. More proof that better technology can't make you creative!

Swede_Islander: Lots more Gray Wolf goodness is coming, for sure. Congratulations on Lieutenant rank!

coz1: There's going to be some ugly politics with Raeder, that's for sure! With Doenitz and Goering there's a historical animosity that could provide for some nice scenes in the future, depending on how the leadership situation is settled. So far so good on in the East, I just have to beware of the screw-ups that have led to my ultimate defeat literally every time I've invade them (no oil, man power gone, Western Allies perform devastating landings, etc). I'm holding out hope this will be the time things come together.

volksmarschall: There's actually another Doenitz "Time" picture if memory serves, but it isn't nearly as awesome. Japan is sorting themselves out now, but they're in a private war with the USA instead of going after the Allies. I have no idea what will happen next. I do like sprites, too, as I'm sure you've noticed. :D

I think I've got some idea of how to handle the leadership situation, I've been given a lot to work with. I'm not biased either way, but I promised a historical game and the success of the U-Boats can't be denied. When the USA finally pulls the trigger I think Doenitz will bag his limit real fast!

See the "All section for a major announcement! :)

TheLoneGunman: I think Goering's policy would be "give me my planes, those Carriers can rot in the port." Just like in real life. ;) I think I've got a pretty clear idea of what the future holds for Raeder...stay tuned!

Lord Strange: Now you're a Lieutenant! We are an honest firm in the Kriegsmarine, I won't miss anyone's rightly earned promotions. I use a lot of "google." With the right key words you'll do pretty well. I'm actually a little disappointed at the relative lack of Kriegsmarine propaganda, but what I find gets used. Thanks for all the kind words, more is on the way! Britain seems to be building up their infantry for home defense and annoyances in Norway. Based on what I've seen on the shores and intelligence reports I'd estimate 40 divisions in England, another 40 in Egypt and 10 or so constantly being used for ill-conceived landings.

dublish: Believe it or not when Doenitz became Grand Admiral historically he lobbied heavily for not getting rid of the surface fleet. He's a submariner to the core, but he's smart enough to see the value of surface forces as well. I have to speculate on how he'd feel about Carriers, especially considering the Graf Zeppelin was cannibalized for U-Boat parts. We'll get some real answers, soon. ;)

son of liberty: The issue would be who is overall commander. Or split the Kriegsmarine? It's an interesting thought...

Also: no Saalwächter! Well, probably not.

Myth: We're doing a valuable service sinking the Soviets, which explains my next construction project: the Battle Cruiser Kevorkian. :D

AKjeldsen: I think Raeder was worn down by all these outside pressures. Doenitz is at least healthy and full of fight, but can he play the political games with high command is the question. I think the overall stock of the Kriegsmarine is high right now, combined with the fact that they don't face much interference from Hitler...but that could change, too. Welcome aboard!

Dead William: I'm bomber poor, but what I do have is being used. I started using that tactic in my last (failed) Germany game. This time, I've learned to encircle and give ground, so the pieces are coming together.

To be honest I don't know much about Saalwächter. The impression I've always had of Doenitz is someone who quietly gets the job done, but also stands up for himself when it is needed. I think Hitler would take the tough guy over the clever guy.

We can't have the Soviet navy littering the Baltic with empty vodka bottles!

More news on Admiral ranks, below, thanks for reading!

GhostWriter: I see "Grand Admiral" as the one overall commander. There could be a few in the game, but only one in the storyline. There are changes coming, that's for sure. I need to educate myself about Saalwächter, because I know nothing about him. Here's your Lieutenant stripes!

Mædhric: The urban scene owes a lot to Full Metal Jacket and even those first-person shooter games. I wanted to offer some gritty stuff as a counter-point to "Heroes of the Fatherland." I think you're right about the U.S., but this is getting pretty drawn out. Part of me really wants to see Doenitz get rewarded, too.

Stuyvesant: I see the promotion situation as being driven by Doenitz's rising fortunes coupled with Raeder slowly wearing down. Is there room for both? I'll be trying to answer that question in the near future. And yes, I'm only thinking narrative here, too. :)

For me these scenes are challenging, trying to get just the right amount of description and action. There's so much historical awfulness to draw from with the Eastern Front. I always like mixing tones, so maybe some more "Heroes of the Fatherland" will be next.

Sinking that junk is almost a service to the Soviets, but it's still glorious victory, in my opinion.

The Japan situation is shaping up, although I'm still waiting for the USA to join the allies. Strange stuff going on!

Von Perkele: Perhaps a Guderian-style "inspector" assignment will be given to Raeder? Congratulations on your promotion to Lieutenant-Commander!

von Mauser: Well, you're here now. :D Welcome to the Kriegsmarine!

Blue emu helped me a lot and I give him credit for the success of the U-Boat war. The screw-ups are all me. A total commitment to U-Boat war does lead to victories, there's no doubt.

Right now the Soviet Navy is being taken apart. I've got Destroyers in the Baltic on ASW and the Carrier force was doing some hunting. I think they're mostly hiding right now. Of course, once they are annexed these problems go away. ;)

I blame the Suez debacle on my late entry to that front combined with general Italian fecklessness. If I could free the forces that would be the next goal, then Sea Lion.

von Mauser it is!

All: Congratulations to new Lieutenant-Commander Von Perkele and our new class of Lieutenants: Lord Strange, Swede_Islander and GhostWriter! Warm welcomes to Midshipmen AKjeldsen and von Mauser!

The time has come to promote our first Vice Admiral. The Admiral ranks are reserved for long time posters who make consistently excellent contributions. To make it more important, there will only be one Admiral promotion every few pages or so.

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Let's now congratulate our first Vice Admiral: volksmarschall! He's been here from the very beginning and always has lots of good advice and material for me to use. There were a few very strong candidates (who will see promotion soon!) but in the end his long record of fine posts needed to be recognized.

Coming up soon: solving the leadership issue, war with the USA, maybe?
 
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von Mauser: I don't think there were any Spanish engagements, at least none worth noting. The Norway attempts are starting to tick me off...supply has been issue, everything is slow to move and when I confront there landing forces I barely sink anything! They are pesky, no doubt.

Marat is a nice prize. No Hood, but I'll take it.

Right now Goering has been playing a waiting game, trying to get a feel for Doenitz, maybe get his hooks in. He'll be back when we least want to see him, I have a feeling. ;)
 

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Make it interesting and dow the USA. :D It is historical after all. Then "acceptall" Japan into the Axis if they won't join on their own.

As for splitting the KM, consider the facts. They really have different missions and tactics. The grey wolves have proven themselves above and beyond hopes and expectations. For aar purposes, I would really consider it.
 

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Another great update, and I've finally been inspired by all of the naval AARs to perhaps give myself a shot at a challenging one! ;)

Looking forward to seeing how the politics inside the Kriegsmarine and within the 3rd Reich end up working out.
 

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Wow, your subs are incredibly IC-effective...

I also admire your courage to take on naval combat in the HOI2 engine.
 

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Great Updates!

Here's some Kriegsmarine Pics;
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Hard to find good pics due to all the Swastikas :eek:
 

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Hmmm. Will you ally with japan? That woudl give yo a war with the US. Plus, the UK seems insitant on sacraficing her ships? Are they building any more? What do your Intel reports say? also, interesting- subs of New York- plannign an invsion already are we?
 

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You've sent more British Battleships to the bottom of the sea! That's great work, and cost-effective when you put it in the terms of the U-Boats. Sure, it's not pretty to see U-Boats lost in pitched combat, but everyone has to gamble with something, and if you lose a U-Boat for every Battleship, you can build up to 25 U-Boats for every Battleship. And the Soviet Red Banner Fleet is hitting some rough waves as well. Great to see the Marat go to the Baltic bottom again, even if it wasn't sunk by a Ju-87 :p!

And it's great to see U-Boats outside of Long Island again! With the Royal Navy mostly destroyed, her Commonwealth allies not a threat, and with the IJN and USN going to exchange heavy blows, the Kriegsmarine is well on it's way to being the strongest navy. Even though I would like to see hundreds of U-Boats all over the seven seas! (But that's just me as you already know ;)) If a war with the US is upcoming, I can't wait to see the might of the Kriegsmarine against the vaunted United States Navy. (I'm still lobbying for Doenitz over Raeder because of his love of Submarine warfare.) And thanks for the promotion! ;) I appreciate it.