Issues with captured equipment

[Daelyn75]

I really like that captured equipment is made quite clear now with the information of what exactly you have gained after a nation capitulates, however there are two issues with it that I feel isn't historically accurate.

The first is with The Fate of Czechoslovakia focus - where are the Czechoslovakia tanks that added much strength to the German panzer forces? Does it not say something about getting the equipment but then nothing happens? There needs to be something added in here like when a nation is capitulates, and you get the spoil of their forces. More-so in this case because there was no actual fighting, and the nation was just politically absorbed. In this case, why would it not be 100% of Czechoslovakian equipment?

The second is the fact that when you as Germany defeat any of the coastal nations in Europe such as Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, (France?), and Norway, that their transports get added to Germany, when in fact historically these ships fled their nations and joined with Britain to continue aiding the war by transporting needed things to and from the Island nation. You can probably add any allied nation that capitulates.

France is questionable because of Vichy, but I am certain that the other nations added all their merchant ships to Britain because it was detailed in Len Deighton's book Blood, Tears, and Folly in the Atlantic War.

I can see a small number being captured by Germany, but the vast majority should actually join with Britain in the game. Historically this greatly helped to offset the merchant shipping despite the losses Britain suffered due to German submarines.

Instead, Germany gains a large number of transports by these conquests and it just doesn't make any historical sense for this to happen.

 

[Dalwin]

Other issues with captured equipment:

Such equipment cannot be given away (lend leased) to your allies.

You only capture equipment when a nation capitulates. I think that when a unit surrenders you should also get some. Perhaps this should only be 25% of what was in those units instead of the 75% received at capitulation.

 

[Daelyn75]

Other issues with captured equipment:

Such equipment cannot be given away (lend leased) to your allies.

You only capture equipment when a nation capitulates. I think that when a unit surrenders you should also get some. Perhaps this should only be 25% of what was in those units instead of the 75% received at capitulation.

I quite agree. I know that Germany shared captured french aircraft and tanks to some of their allies. It's better than having it all sit and do nothing.

Although I do have to say in my latest game as Germany with Expert AI and No Man's land mods on that I actually have used every single piece of captured aircraft, infantry equipment, support equipment, anti-aircraft guns, anti-tank guns, and artillery and am still short due to losses on the Eastern Front. I'm winning in late 42, but for the first time it isn't a cakewalk.

 

[him_15]

Very well observed and advised. I suggest to post it on the suggestion forum and hopefully the Dev would plan to improve it.

 

[albso437]

Czech tanks?
The reason you don't get any is that Czech AI hasn't built any.
If you make them do (tag shifting), then you do get tanks.

 

[him_15]

Czech tanks?
The reason you don't get any is that Czech AI hasn't built any.
If you make them do (tag shifting), then you do get tanks.

Don't the Czech already start with tank division?

 

[Daelyn75]

Czech tanks?
The reason you don't get any is that Czech AI hasn't built any.
If you make them do (tag shifting), then you do get tanks.

Kinks in the AI I guess, regardless, Germany gets no equipment from The Fate of Czechoslovakia focus.

 

[C-Breeze]

Such equipment cannot be given away (lend leased) to your allies.

Lend lease would be great, or even just scrap it to regain part of the construction resources. Anything is better than having obsolete stockpiles sitting around gathering dust.

 

[GeneralZorro]

I would like to add that I have observed that after conquering a country, the amount of equipment that I capture is far less that what is informed in the pop up.

Moreover, I really thing that any political take overs like Anschluss or Czechoslovakia should provide Germany with all the equipment that those country have, including those that are fielded. I am not sure if this is the case or not.

 

[Daelyn75]

I would like to add that I have observed that after conquering a country, the amount of equipment that I capture is far less that what is informed in the pop up.

Moreover, I really thing that any political take overs like Anschluss or Czechoslovakia should provide Germany with all the equipment that those country have, including those that are fielded. I am not sure if this is the case or not.

If this is the case then I hope the devs look into it as well. Are they aware of it?

 

[GeneralZorro]

If this is the case then I hope the devs look into it as well. Are they aware of it?

This was last time I chequed. I will reconfirm this weekend and post a bug report in case it is still not working correctly.

 

[Dalwin]

Kinks in the AI I guess, regardless, Germany gets no equipment from The Fate of Czechoslovakia focus.

Germany gets no equipment from that event because there was no war and therefor no capitulation. Only capitulation triggers equipment capture currently. I am not saying I agree with this method but merely stating the way things are. Some mods add an event that gives equipment but I think it is a preset amount and not tied to actual in game Czech stockpiles.

Germany also captures no equipment from Anschluss but at least gets the Austrian Army.

 

[browd]

And it gets the equipment that is deployed in the field with that army (but none of Austria's stockpiled equipment).

 

[Daelyn75]

Germany gets no equipment from that event because there was no war and therefor no capitulation. Only capitulation triggers equipment capture currently. I am not saying I agree with this method but merely stating the way things are. Some mods add an event that gives equipment but I think it is a preset amount and not tied to actual in game Czech stockpiles.

Germany also captures no equipment from Anschluss but at least gets the Austrian Army.

I believe this needs to change.

 

[albso437]

Germany gets no equipment from that event because there was no war and therefor no capitulation. Only capitulation triggers equipment capture currently. I am not saying I agree with this method but merely stating the way things are. Some mods add an event that gives equipment but I think it is a preset amount and not tied to actual in game Czech stockpiles.

No that is not correct.
You do get the Czech stockpile.
However - if there are no equipment in the stockpile, you end up with nothing.
Try to load up as CZE and delete all their units the day before you annex them so everything go into the stockpile, and see for your self!!!

 

[Link2edition]

In the case of the Czechs would it be better to represent the capture of Czech tank tech as a research bonus (instantly have the ability to make a new tank model)?
Germany kept the Czech factories working and had entire companies of their tanks, later in the war they used those same factories to produce tank destroyers based on modified Czech designs.

 

[Dalwin]

In the case of the Czechs would it be better to represent the capture of Czech tank tech as a research bonus (instantly have the ability to make a new tank model)?
Germany kept the Czech factories working and had entire companies of their tanks, later in the war they used those same factories to produce tank destroyers based on modified Czech designs.

I think if trying to capture that historical situation, a better way might be to have Germany receive a national spirit which gives a 10% discount on cost to produce light tanks, which is after all what the Czech models effectively were.

 

[GeneralZorro]

I would like to add that I have observed that after conquering a country, the amount of equipment that I capture is far less that what is informed in the pop up.

Moreover, I really thing that any political take overs like Anschluss or Czechoslovakia should provide Germany with all the equipment that those country have, including those that are fielded. I am not sure if this is the case or not.

This was last time I chequed. I will reconfirm this weekend and post a bug report in case it is still not working correctly.

Well I did a quick run in single player fabricating ASAP against The Netherlands as Germany to try this out, only to realise that since I do not have TFV pack I do not get the details of what equipment I am getting. My above comments where from my experience playing MP with TFV, but unfortunately I currently am short of time to try this out in a 5+ hour multiplayer game.

In case anyone wonders, and off topic, I did not get TFV because I thought its not worth anywhere near the price tag, and did not appreciate the "blitz" command being a paid feature in a WW2 game. I will however get it once the price drops significantly and the game is improved from its current state.