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Hello there! I really like what you did with the Carpathian Basin's map overall in CK3, I absolutely love the amount and accuracy of counties and de jure duchies. However, I have some suggestions on things that you might've missed, or made typos at. I believe that since the game is still in development, there is no problem with fixing these, mostly localisation-based issues.

First of all, I found the names of some counties on the map weird. I dare to suggest fixing some typos, and suggesting culturally changing naming for some:
  • Pozsony: it's on the map as "Poszony", which is a really weird typo, as "sz" is pronounced completely differently in Hungarian. I also suggest using Prešporok as a Slovien name for it as well as Pressburg for German cultures
  • Trencsén: should be "Trencsén" in Hungarian and "Trenčín" in Slovien and Czech instead of "Trenscen", which is also a serious typo
  • Heves: it's currently called "Hewes"
  • Sáros/Šariš: not sure about this one, but should be called just like that in Slovien and as "Sáros" in Hungarian
  • Szepes/Spiš: Szepes in Hungarian, Spiš in Slovien
  • Árva/Orava: Árva in Hu, Orava in Sl
  • Gömör/Gemer: same, in order
  • Nyitra/Nitra: also the same in respective order
  • Somogy: the same in Hungarian, however would be neat if it the Slavic name for it would be "Blatno", like in CK2, for both the county and the duchy

  • there are also missing diacritic marks for these county and duchy names:
    • Győr
    • Zaránd
    • Fehér
    • Székelyföld
    • Liptó
    • Abaúj
    • Bács
    • Csanád
Edit: Samitte suggested adding the following:
  • Fogaras > Fogarasföld - The old name for this county. Dropping the -föld only happened in the late 19th century restructuring of the counties.
  • Torda > Kolozs - While Torda is fine for this one, Kolozs (the northern half of this county) was more important and would make more sense as its namesake.
  • Zagorje > Križevci (Kőrös in Hungarian). The Zagorje region only marks the very western corner of this county. Most of this consists of the county of Križevci/Kőrös.
And to add the diacritcs for the Hungarian county names for:
  • Máramaros (Marmaros)
  • Békés
  • Veszprém
  • Abaúj (Abov)
  • Szatmár
  • Valkó (Vukovar)

Along with these minor fixes, I suggest the use of the -i locative suffix for randomly generated Hungarian house names. This works in Hungarian just like the "of ", "de " or "von " prepositions work in western languages, for example a bastard in Bamberg might be called "von Bamberg", like Heinrich von Bamberg. Now for Hungarian, an -i suffix would work just like that, but instead of a prefix as a suffix: a bastard born in Somogy might be called "Somogyi", like Tamás Somogyi. In CKII, that was easy to recreate for modders by changing
Code:
from_dynasty_prefix = "a "
to
Code:
from_dynasty_suffix = "i"
, and it worked totally fine (!). I'm not sure about the coding mechanics CKIII, but I have a feeling that you guys made it so that this is just as possible!

So if a developer sees this, thousands of Hungarian fans (and probably of other nationalities too) would be so glad if these were implemented ;)
 
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Great post, I completely agree.

I was also disturbed by the "Somogy" polity at the 867 AD start date, I dont mind Blatno from CK2 or even better Balaton Principality (Slovak: Blatenské kniežatstvo, Slovene: Blatenska? kneževina) I don't know why they didn't bring the well established CK2 situation into CK3.
 
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I see a lot of good name suggestions coming in to this forum, but it makes me wonder, do we know if the screenshots we got available are of "untouched" games? Culture shifts and ruler changes can really mess perceptions up.

That is a legit concern. However concerning the Somogy polity, I have seen the name on screenshots both at the start date and decades later.

A related anectode :p ... When looking at one of the screenshots of the area, I was concerned because on one of them I saw Hungarians already in the Carpathian basin on the east bank of the Danube and I was immediately disappointed, wanted to rant that why didn't they just copy the situation from CK2, who did they have to make everything historical. Only later did I notice that the screenshot was taken decades after the 867 AD start date and screenshots from the start date show hungarians where they should be, east of the Carpathians in their "Etelkoz". Then I was elated, THE HUNGARIAN CONQUEST IS WORKING ALREADY :) despšite thefact that game is in early build.
 
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Good suggestions, fully agree!

Would like to add a few more:

  • Fogaras > Fogarasföld - The old name for this county. Dropping the -föld only happened in the late 19th century restructuring of the counties.
  • Torda > Kolozs - While Torda is fine for this one, Kolozs (the northern half of this county) was more important and would make more sense as its namesake.
  • Zagorje > Križevci (Kőrös in Hungarian). The Zagorje region only marks the very western corner of this county. Most of this consists of the county of Križevci/Kőrös.
And to add the diacritcs for the Hungarian county names for:
  • Máramaros (Marmaros)
  • Békés
  • Veszprém
  • Abaúj (Abov)
  • Szatmár
  • Valkó (Vukovar)
 
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I see a lot of good name suggestions coming in to this forum, but it makes me wonder, do we know if the screenshots we got available are of "untouched" games? Culture shifts and ruler changes can really mess perceptions up.
Most of the wrong names in Nyitra are seen in a 867 start screenshot, where most of them are Slavic, thus Spis and Šariš are the only ones with correct names in the area, while I have the feeling that they on the other hand have no Hungarian counterparts
 
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Good suggestions, fully agree!

Would like to add a few more:

  • Fogaras > Fogarasföld - The old name for this county. Dropping the -föld only happened in the late 19th century restructuring of the counties.
  • Torda > Kolozs - While Torda is fine for this one, Kolozs (the northern half of this county) was more important and would make more sense as its namesake.
  • Zagorje > Križevci (Kőrös in Hungarian). The Zagorje region only marks the very western corner of this county. Most of this consists of the county of Križevci/Kőrös.
And to add the diacritcs for the Hungarian county names for:
  • Máramaros (Marmaros)
  • Békés
  • Veszprém
  • Abaúj (Abov)
  • Szatmár
  • Valkó (Vukovar)
Do you want me to add these to the first post too?
 

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It would give them more visibility, so yes please if you don't mind.
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Nice thread!

Mild correction:
Spiš in Slovien for Szepes

And addition:
Heves would be Heveš in Slovien. Of course simple transliterations like this one aren't particularly significant.
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Thank you for your correction, I will edit it
 

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Update: it seems that they fixed the Slovien Duchy of Somogy to Balaton, and they changed the name of the "titular Kingdom of Magyar" to "Mogyër Confederation"
 
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Update 2: it seems that the mistyped names are left as they were, which is such a shame and very weird since apparently the localized Slovakian etc. names have been added. Pls Paradox, if you can do háčeks and shit then I'm pretty sure you also can add acute diacritics to á's and é's, umlauts and hungarumlauts to ő's or ű's, and fix *absolutely minor* typos like 'w' instead of 'v' and 'sz' instead of 'zs'.

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Great job on compiling these, @ArVass - hope they're fixed soon!
 
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