Islolated conflict or why does everything always lead to a world war?

[TheDungen]

Seriously I just saw my big ambition (my fourth attempt I might add) to put together an anti soviet block as democratic germany crushed as all of the sudden austria-hungary and romania decided to go to war (tried two times, first time romania started it trying to puppet austria-hunagry and second time austria-hungary started it demanding transylvania) in both cases the outcome was the same Romania joined the allies and britain declared war on me. Never mind that Britain at this point is just the commonwealth since france and spain went communist, and italy is stomping all over the balkans, essentially me and britain was getting along as the two defenders of liberal democracy and then all of the sudden they are at war with me, with the commitern ready to two front me too, WTH! It makes no sense for britain to get involved, heck if Romania wasn't so much more powerful than Austria Hungary I would have allowed them to duke it out on their own, but that doesn't work either since in this game no one fights to anything but total defeat and then total annexation.

Oh and for some reason Italy and it's pal fascist bulgaria decided to send me voulenteers, never mind that I am pretty much the greatest threat there is to them, probably because they are scripted to view the allies as their main enemy, or germany as an ally.

Sorry about the angry rant but I am tired of every little war always turning into the world war.

 

[Agiknight]

"why does everything always lead to a world war"

because it is a World War 2 game

 

[TheDungen]

"why does everything always lead to a world war"

because it is a World War 2 game

Yeah and I would have gotten to fighting the soviets eventually but being railroaded into fighting the british too, when they and me are the only major democratic powers in Europe feels very forced.

 

[Secret Master]

So, a regional conflict in the Balkans involving Austria-Hungary resulted in a World War?

I swear, the lack of historical realism in HOI4 is shocking. Shocking, I say!

 

[aono]

So, let me see...
1. Austria and Hungary made one state.
2. United Germany and said KuK state created new Central Power alliance.
3. GB haven't any allies on continent.
4. Said Central Powers started to expand aggressively in Europe.

Hell, why do GB, whose politics before decolonization always was "no power on continent should be too powerful to endanger GB" intervene? Who can even imagine?
Just in case, I don't think it's conscious programming from developers side. But this is realistic as a hell.

 

[TheDungen]

So, a regional conflict in the Balkans involving Austria-Hungary resulted in a World War?

I swear, the lack of historical realism in HOI4 is shocking. Shocking, I say!

And if it was 1914 I would have givne it to you but the situation is diffrent. I didn't decalre war on Russia,I didn't declare war on France, I didn't ivade Belgium and the kaiser has no power oh and all of Europe is getting overrun by totalitarian regimes. And the UK just went to war with every remaining democratic country on the continent (granted with the exception of Begium and the netherlands).

So, let me see...
1. Austria and Hungary made one state.
2. United Germany and said KuK state created new Central Power alliance.
3. GB haven't any allies on continent.
4. Said Central Powers started to expand aggressively in Europe.

Hell, why do GB, whose politics before decolonization always was "no power on continent should be too powerful to endanger GB" intervene? Who can even imagine?
Just in case, I don't think it's conscious programming from developers side. But this is realistic as a hell.

1.No austria and hungary and czechoslovakia (kind of) made one state diplomatically and are democratic.
2. No united germany KuK, the blatic countries and the nordic countries, created a mutual defence block against the communists. in fact every democratic country except britain. Then both romania and austria hungary at the same time decide that they have a bone to pick which each other, and for some reason britain is now at war with every democratic country in the world except the US and it's own commonwealth.
3 No but they have a 100% opinion rating of germany who's the leader of the central european alliance.
4.except in one attempt it was romania who declared on us. Also this is the first offensive war any of us has fougt. Britain could have intervened when italy invaded yugoslavia or when they annexed alabnia but no let's get involved against the only semi allies we have on the european mainland.

 

[aono]

And the UK just went to war with every remaining democratic country on the continent.

I'm not entirely understand. You're the only democratic country on the continent - so what?

 

[aono]

1.No austria and hungary and czechoslovakia (kind of) made one state diplomatically and are democratic.

So "yes". They did create one state. Bye-bye Versailles.

No united germany KuK, the blatic countries and the nordic countries, created a mutual defence block against the communists. in fact every democratic country except britain.

So "yes". They did create power block.

No but they have a 100% opinion rating of germany who's the leader of the central european alliance.

So "no". Also, I believe they didn't declare Germany.

Also this is the first offensive war any of us has fougt.

So "yes".

Britain could have intervened when italy invaded yugoslavia or when they annexed alabnia but no let's get involved against the only semi allies we have on the european mainland.

Oh? How are you "allies of Britain"? United continental european power block is the worst nightmare British politicians ever had. No matter are you democratic or not, if you're not it's just one more nail.

 

[TheDungen]

Oh? How are you "allies of Britain"? United continental european power block is the worst nightmare British politicians ever had. No matter are you democratic or not, if you're not it's just one more nail.

Pretty sure a Europe overrun by communists who have the stated goal of world revolution is scarier.
And it's not really a united powerblock, no more than the allies were a united powerblock.
Essentially Britain keeps treating Germany like it's nazi Germany even when it is not, railroading like this is fine with historical focuses on.

After reloading an ealrier save I managed to avoid the situation and get my united war against the soviets, but guess what Italy who I plan on taking on as soon as the soviets are defeated are sending me volunteers while Britain is playing switzerland. At the current world tension if I was any other democratic country fighting a war I would have the US lend leasing me at this point. I guess I should be happy they aren't lend leasing the soviets.

I'm not entirely understand. You're the only democratic country on the continent - so what?

No I'm not, plenty of democratic countries on the continent but they're all in my faction which means Britain going to war with them meant me going to war with them.

 

[aono]

Pretty sure a Europe overrun by communists who have the stated goal of world revolution is scarier.

Why? It's not matter WHO is ruling united Europe, united Europe by itself is a danger. In your situation real-world GB would actually support France and Spain, not Germany+Austria-Hungary+full Scandinavia+full Baltic full-scale military alliance. Especially when Spain and France stays in their borders, and alliance is trying to expand forcibly.

 

[TheDungen]

Why? It's not matter WHO is ruling united Europe, united Europe by itself is a danger. In your situation real-world GB would actually support France and Spain, not Germany+Austria-Hungary+full Scandinavia+full Baltic full-scale military alliance. Especially when Spain and France stays in their borders, and alliance is trying to expand forcibly.

But Europe isn't united, in fact Britain is pretty much surrounded by communist regimes, and are you kidding me, communists in eastern Europe is pretty much Britain's worse nightmare.
Actually the situatuon is pretty much like the napoleonic wars, france spain and italy under rule of factions the british oppose and central and eastern Europe joining up to take them on. And Britain sitting on their isle.

 

[aono]

But Europe isn't united, in fact Britain is pretty much surrounded by communist regimes, and are you kidding me, communists in eastern Europe is pretty much Britain's worse nightmare.

Sorry, where do you take about "communists being the worst Britain nightmare"? Churchill didn't like reds, sure - and still when he needed he unites with them casually.
What bad would happen if France became red and started to build totalitarian regime? They're welcome, they would became weaker. Russia stopped to be a factor of world politics for 20 years when commies won, and lost a lot of lands and resources.

 

[TheDungen]

Sorry, where do you take about "communists being the worst Britain nightmare"? Churchill didn't like reds, sure - and still when he needed he unites with them casually.

Against Hitler who was also a collectivist of sort, and he compared it to allying with the devil. And Churchill is not in power because Munich never happened (granted Bohemia is nominally in personal union with Austria Hungary but they remain effectively independent), Anschluss never happened (Well Austria held a referendum which ended with them and Hungary joining), I have generated next to none of the world tension required for them to be able to intervene in distant conflicts, what I have generated have been generated by speaking out against the USSR.
In fact in reality one of the reasons the alllies allowed Hitler to do things like the Anschluss and the annexation of Czechoslovakia is because they hoped to use him to contain the USSR.
Because Chamberlain unlike Churchill saw the nazis as the lesser evil to communism. Well guess who's in charge of Britain in my game? Yep Neville Chamberlain. He would probably have been more inclined to join the central European Alliance than to oppose it.

What bad would happen if France became red and started to build totalitarian regime? They're welcome, they would became weaker. Russia stopped to be a factor of world politics for 20 years when commies won, and lost a lot of lands and resources.

Because it happened in the midst of a war which they also lost. And we're talking about commies so close you can see them across the channel.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

"why does everything always lead to a world war"

because it is a World War 2 game

Doesn't address opening post discussion.

So, a regional conflict in the Balkans involving Austria-Hungary resulted in a World War?

I swear, the lack of historical realism in HOI4 is shocking. Shocking, I say!

Doesn't address opening post discussion.

1. Austria and Hungary made one state.
2. United Germany and said KuK state created new Central Power alliance.
3. GB haven't any allies on continent.
4. Said Central Powers started to expand aggressively in Europe.

OP is pointing out that UK is joining an offensive war against him. What I'm quoting misrepresents OP's scenario.

Actually to this point none of the discussion in the thread has actually centered on the scenario OP presented in the first post other than OP pointing out the assertion that there's no reason UK should be joining offensive wars against a democracy with more total military power in opposing ideologies closer to UK. In strict game terms, there's no much clear benefit to joining such a war either.

 

[Retry]

Sorry, where do you take about "communists being the worst Britain nightmare"? Churchill didn't like reds, sure - and still when he needed he unites with them casually.
What bad would happen if France became red and started to build totalitarian regime? They're welcome, they would became weaker. Russia stopped to be a factor of world politics for 20 years when commies won, and lost a lot of lands and resources.

The whole "Fascist Germany just curb-stomped France and Poland, is trying to bomb us to bits, and now has the entireity of Europe under its boot" thing weighed heavily into Britain's decision to "casually side with the reds". A democratic Germany that's focusing on preserving their independence as well as other countries in their Reichspakt against communist on both sides likely isn't paying much care to the British Isles which are not a meaningful, immediate threat like the two-front war that's set to erupt any second.

Meanwhile, Britain's French friends with their own previously democratic tradition just went full Communard, and the Anglo-French rivalry from pre-WWI returns to normal.. The Spanish Republic has erupted in a civil war which, now that Germany is not pro-fascist and Communist France is sitting at the border with guns and ammo, revolutionary volunteers, and an ideal position to intervene directly if it must come to such, it's virtually guaranteed that Franco's faction will fail and there'll be yet another Leftist country on the continent (one whose position threatens Gibraltar & Britain's friend & primary tungsten provider: Portugal). Politicians across the channel should really be concerned of the overall revolutions and shift towards the far left and be worried that it can happen here, on our happy little island as well.

At most, the UK should hope that the German Block handles themselves during the upcoming conflict well so no Anglo blood need be shed. Worst-case scenario, a more direct intervention may be required. But under no circumstance would the British want to help the Communists do their dirty work, seeing how a Communist victory would basically lead to OTL's situation of one big, hostile power block controlling all of Europe by '42, but even worse.

 

[NovenTheHero]

I made the Kaiser come back and the world tension would not go higher than 20%. It was actually frustrating because I wanted to declare on people haha.

 

[TheDungen]

I made the Kaiser come back and the world tension would not go higher than 20%. It was actually frustrating because I wanted to declare on people haha.

Really? It's pretty high in the game where I finally managed to go to war with the soviets, and that is despite the fact that china and japan never went to war either. In fact they both joined the centrla european alliance, which I really feel isn't working as intended, and went to war with the soviets with me. As did a whole bunch of south american countries.