Island rebels... *sigh*

[Jaqwon_The_Chef]

:glare: Really? stack of 20 rebels on Cyprus??? Now I have to make like 30 transports because of the landing penalties and there's a good chance I'll still lose.

If i don't finish the transports in time my whole nation will randomly convert to orthodox because of one lousy little island like Cyprus???

I have no idea how to fix this mechanic but its honestly one of the most annoying in the game.

 

[codeGnave]

I also struggle with rationalizing keeping transports as a permanent part of my navy, but thems the breaks if you want to rule lands you can't walk to.

 

[Demonsul]

That's why you garrison islands.

 

[Kwami]

That's why you garrison islands.

A 20,000-man standing army on Cyprus would be silly.

Indeed, that idea that rebels on Cyprus can change your entire empire's religion is also silly.

 

[lordgoof]

was probably a quarter of the population. would have been a rather comical army.

 

[Jorlem]

It is worse up in Alaska, because it looks like you should be able to walk there, but they don't actually all touch. There's a few pixels of water between two of them.

 

[Amosblanco]

As Mamluk, better leave Cyprus to others. As an island of 8 base tax and un-tolerated culture,it is impossible to convert it and always high revolt risk, making it an always hot potato.

 

[Mr. Methyl]

As Mamluk, better leave Cyprus to others. As an island of 8 base tax and un-tolerated culture,it is impossible to convert it and always high revolt risk, making it an always hot potato.

Good advice. As for me, I always assume an AI-controlled island is going to be a pain in the ass and is amost never worth the headache - Cyprus, Bornholm, Socotro, I'm looking at you - and so I generally beat nations down to their island territories, then vassalize since I just know Murphy's Law is going to screw me on them. I also keep many more transports around than I probably optimally need, just in case I have to bust up an island rebellion.

In my last Ironman game, AI Ottomans were still trying to take Rhodes in 1821. They must be even more frustrated than I am over Bornholm and Socotro.

 

[Jaqwon_The_Chef]

As Mamluk, better leave Cyprus to others. As an island of 8 base tax and un-tolerated culture,it is impossible to convert it and always high revolt risk, making it an always hot potato.

Playing as Venice. Greek is accepted... but man, they really don't like it when i try converting them to Catholicism.

 

[StarDolphin]

You probally didn't have 20K rebels rise up at once right? That is the combined total of 2-3 rebellions?

It is entirely reasonable to keep 10K guys on an island while you are converting it. Or really, close to any territory you are converting. And if you have 10K guys there and keep transports close, you can re-enforce if needed.

 

[Pitt The Elder]

Just accept their demands. You won't flip to Orthodox unless it's the dominant religion in your country.

 

[moyang]

Just accept their demands. You won't flip to Orthodox unless it's the dominant religion in your country.

AFAIK if you accept you always flip, dominant religion check is on enforce demand.

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

Just accept their demands. You won't flip to Orthodox unless it's the dominant religion in your country.

You can't accept demands of religious rebels if the religion isn't dominant.

 

[SerFishy]

You can't accept demands of religious rebels if the religion isn't dominant.

I thought you could do that, that's how I turned Catholic as Ottomans once...

 

[Carkasjak]

I usually try to avoid conquering islands with unaccepted cultures/religions. It's just not worth the extra hassle unless you need that specific island for some strategic purpose like claim fabrication or colonial range.

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

I thought you could do that, that's how I turned Catholic as Ottomans once...

Nope, the button is greyed out and states that it has to be dominant. I think you can accept demands if you have the option to convert normally, like Catholic to Reformed.


EDIT - Here's the exact details. Orthodox is the dominant religion so I can accept it.

Spoiler

 

[AurochsAway]

You can accept heathen demands if their religion is dominant in your Empire (or if they've seiged down your capital I believe). For heretics I think you accept and the provinces they held just get massive malus to conversion for many years.

 

[Beagá]

Use harsh treatment liberally on islands and get the guy with less revolt risk if you can´t afford a garrison. No other way to deal with that crap, really. Other than reloading.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Rebels eventually go away if you ignore them and they can't enforce demands lol. That is really annoying though, much more so during westernization when you've colonized islands throughout the Indian ocean and into Indonesia and are say Sub-Saharan. At that point yes, a 10 stack on every colony *is* unreasonable. Your entire force limit would be used up before you can cover half of them, and those rebels are very strong compared to your forces. Fortunately, current westernization allows you to set it up so your only rebels are events, so that's a lot more doable these days.

I abhor mid-war AI rebels popping out of occupied territory and helping it far worse because of how effing stupid and senseless it is that a nation's hostile rebels would make an active effort to protect it (IE patriots of a nearby nation, peasants angry with current rulership, etc). Yet another Euro-centric trash requirement is that you're at tech 3 to support these guys away. India, China, and Africa are powerless against such rebels and are rarely large enough to simply destroy them outright, barring regional powers like Ming, Vijay, or Mali. But a Euro OPM or even a horde? No problems there; just pay them .1 ducat/month and they are friendly! Derp!

As if rebel support as a concept isn't the territory of pre-ADs concepts. Why is there even a tech requirement on that?

 

[Jorlem]

You can't convert (back) to pagan religions, though, even if they control your capitol. Learned that the hard way when my Cherokee converted during Westernization.