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leaving us mano a mano with Sweden. Now we shall see what Gyldenpalm can do.

And the answer is .... not much:
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(first attempt at taking Stockholm fails. A good general is no substitute for numbers and quality.
I immediately had to think of this when seeing this overconfidence :D:

Great to see your first steps in Japan too, Asia will be your 2nd stronghold next to Britain.
 

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you need to have a core on all scandinavian region land for this achievement. converting alone isn't enough, unfortunatly :(

Yes. My last step would be to integrate which gives me cores.

Potential pitfalls to this strategy is having the vassal fail to convert all provinces, or not getting integration done on time ( i do not have the discounts from Influence )

So maybe Norway , who takes Aristocratic, was the wrong vassal anyway. Maybe I should try with Finland.
 

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Yes. My last step would be to integrate which gives me cores.

Potential pitfalls to this strategy is having the vassal fail to convert all provinces, or not getting integration done on time ( i do not have the discounts from Influence )

So maybe Norway , who takes Aristocratic, was the wrong vassal anyway. Maybe I should try with Finland.

finland take aristocratic at 6th idea when released. So, gotta do it before corresponding admin tech.

I'd use novgorod as vassal, or teutonic order (if cores still exist) or a tag from far away that you feed one province with transfer occupation. then grant them everything to convert. some tag like scotland, or any new tag you can release/force vassalise from conquest
 

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I'd use novgorod as vassal, or teutonic order (if cores still exist) or a tag from far away that you feed one province with transfer occupation. then grant them everything to convert. some tag like scotland, or any new tag you can release/force vassalise from conquest

Hmm . I think TO is gone. But Novgorod cores live forever. I will need to "just" beat the crap out of Russia to free them. BTW, Denmark is dead now at the hands of Norway. Maybe I can force them back to life from under Norway and use them ( will they be releasable from a single province in Norway with Norwegian culture?) . Other options include Livonia and Estonia cores , and Riga who is still alive.

THe conundrum I will face is to get a vassal who I can force convert, but then manage to keep after they rebel and every power in Europe that hates me( i.e everyone) supports their independence. I then have to find a way to keep their liberty desire under 50 when integrating them. And all that without annexing any provinces on the mainland, so I cannot feed them by direct province granting , which is a good way to lower LD.

I may end up doing it in two steps. Get a vassal , force convert them, feed them by transfer occupation . their LD will be sky high . Beat them back into submission when they rebel, feed them again etc. once they have most or all of Scandinavia converted, break the vassalization . Then DOW my former vassal, release someone from them who would be Norse religion , then diplo vassalize the new guys. Then feed the new , more loyal, vassal all the land from the previous disloyal vassal. Integrate the new guy .
 

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Livonian Order would make a good substitute for TO, they have divine ideas, as you said. You COULD try and annex them (but not core) for a few years, just to get most of their cores to be norse, then release them. I THINK that they have cores on their land, but I could be wrong. You'll want to check that before you do anything like that.

If you make them a vassal through war, take all their money and then pay off their debts. You could drag them into war and build forts in all of their provinces, assuring they'll have debt for you to pay off, which will lower their LD because you're such a nice overlord. Keeping them at war is key, though, since they won't delete forts if they're at war, and they'll keep them all fully maintained. And don't forget about placations and dev pushing them a bit to get their LD down, especially if they're on the bubble of loyal and disloyal.
 

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1620's: Covert and Overt War

I ended the last chapter with the invasion of Japan, and the death of general Gyldenpalm after the siege of Kyoto. In Europe, the coalition had disappeared due to dissipation of AE.
Internally I start the decade by embracing Global T rade at the cost of 2.5 K ducats, and then dis-inherit my 3/2/1 heir in order to get.....
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....a 2/1/2 heir. Great move mackwolfe. Not!
The silver lining in the switch is that the new heir is a baby, and there is a chance my excellent 3/6/6 Empress will take over for some time after the King dies.

In Europe, a quick succession of events ends with the death of Denmark. First Sweden and Lubeck kick them out of Holstein and Skane areas:
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(screenshot of Denmark being reduced to an OPM by Lubeck and Sweden. Norway gets Faroes and Iceland back. )

Then Norway delivers the coup de grace to their former overlords:
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So now there are Danish cores under Sweden ( Danish culture, catholic ), Lubeck ( Danish and Westphalian culture, protestant ) and Norway ( Norwegian culture, Protestant) as well as under Atlantis of course ( Danish culture, Norse) . I wonder if can knock Denmark loose from any of the other countries, and what religion would they be. I could make them into the vassal whom I feed Scandinavia to later on to get For Odin achievement ( although Livonian Order like firez and atwix said may be better).

IN any case, with Norway's growth now , there is no chance for them to accept diplo-vassalization with me and I go ahead and break the useless alliance before they call me when Sweden decides to pay them a visit.

Back to Asia, I complete the war with the Shogun and take an 85% WS peace:
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(peace with Hosokawa . By taking Kyoto, I destroy the shogunate and break the Ando-Hosokawa alliance. Unfortunately I do have a truce with both of them at the moment)

I release one vassal, Yamana , from a single province. The remaining 4 provinces are all in one state that intend to fully core.

The annexation of a good chunk of Japanese land puts Atlantis well ahead of Russia on the GP ranking:
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WE are closing in on Ottomans, who appear to be having trouble buying GLobal Trade. The fact that they are missing 30 monthly ducats from my privateering in Constantinople must have something to do with it. :D

With a 14 year truce with the Japanese , I need to turn attention elsewhere. One option was to go back to Europe, and work on securing a vassal for the Odin achievement. I go as far as fabricating on Sweden so that I can swipe Gotland, and from there move on Livonian order. But in the end, the thought of reviving a coalition in Europe deters me
So I decide to remain focused on Asia, and target the Ottomans. SO I intensify the cold war with them, sending more privateers their way, and even fomenting rebellion:

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(screenshot of me Supporting Rebels in Ottomans for 5 years)
Two years later, the covert war becomes overt when I declare:

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The war goal is an island in the Moluccas that I should have no trouble securing . Russia is allied with Ottomans, but without a big fleet, I don't see how they would be a factor.

The war starts well when my privateering fleet sinks a couple of Ottoman squadrons in Varna and Bomba . But then my transport fleet with 41 regiments on board gets intercepted on its way to suppress a catholic rebellion in Crete:
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(screenshot of early naval battles. Note my privateer fleet in Aegean and my transports in Sirt, both engaged at the time)

I hurry the privateer ships to help the transports. But they run into Ottoman squadrons in the Aegean and Ionian seas. As I start to lose transports in the battle, I withdraw them to Rhodes:
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(image of my first naval defeat in a long time, with the transports being withdrawn to safety).

When the privateer fleet finally makes it to Sirt , it engages the main Ottoman fleet. I was expecting a win, but instead, we are dealt a setback:
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(screenshot of a rare Atlantean defeat at sea)

This was a surprise loss, as I had more ships and an admiral. I ascribe it to the fact that my fleet had just gone through 3 previous battles without resting . I repair the ships in Rhodes while I start the construction of a new heavy ship squadron in England. Luckily , the AI does not stack fleets well, and when my fleet sails out from Rhodes to privateer again, it faces a divided Ottoman fleet:
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After defeating the Ottoman ships, they take refuge in teh islands of the Aegean. I proceed to occupy them and eject the feelts, first from Naxos then from Euboea. Anjd then they take refuge in Sakiz ( Chios), I do the same. Except this time, an Ottoman force manages to cross to the island 2 days before I occupy it:

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(screenshot of battle of Sakiz)

I fully expected to lose the battle. But thanks to being one military tech level ahead, we pull out a rare win on land.

Meanwhile, in Asia , I had completed the coring of Kyoto and I state it up and accept its culture ( Saigoku):
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(promotion of the first Japanese culture - inset shows my choice of first Ability in age of absolutism)

Also in Asia, I proceed to occupy all the Ottoman islands in Indonesia, which were not guarded. During that phase, my old ruler dies and his wife takes over:
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The Empress Regent is now running the show. At least she is a 3/6/6 and I will have her for 7 years before my 2/1/2 heir takes over.

ANd this brings us to 1630 and the end of the decade. Currently Ottomans refuse to give up all I want in the peace:
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(screenshot of peace I want with Ottomans - if I get all that, they will lose their coring range to the pacific)

I will need to run up some victories and capture a fort or two to get enough WS. Maybe I will attack Russia instead and knock them out first. And if Ottomans still fail to embrace Global Trade , I may sneak into first place position:

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Back to Asia, I complete the war with the Shogun and take an 85% WS peace:
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The infamous Kyoto event :)

Limiting Ottoman coring range to prevent them from further shenanigans in SEA sounds like a good plan.
 

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The infamous Kyoto event :)
Why is it infamous? I did hear of a 'Kyotot engine' abuse-ish mechanic don't know if it's the same/related.

Though I doubt the coring range of the Ottomans would be very much reduced, tech gives a big boost to range too.
 

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BTW, Denmark is dead now at the hands of Norway. Maybe I can force them back to life from under Norway and use them ( will they be releasable from a single province in Norway with Norwegian culture?) .

,o, you can't. you need province with danish culture for that.

Livonian order takes religious as first idea, Riga as 6th.
 

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Why is it infamous? I did hear of a 'Kyotot engine' abuse-ish mechanic don't know if it's the same/related.

I think this is it. The event is usable for an unlimited MP exploit. I only read about it on reddit the other day so I've never tried it out myself.
 

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I saw it as well, i you give it to a vassal, and then seize it, you will get the event again. you can continue this for infinite MP.
 

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Ahh, looks like the Ottomans are not too troublesome.
 

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I saw it as well, i you give it to a vassal, and then seize it, you will get the event again. you can continue this for infinite MP.
Didn't know about the exploit. I took Kyoto to break up the Japanese alliance. THe vassal I picked does not border it and I already spen mana on coring it. I think I'll pass on the exploit.
 

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I will have the chance to try out the Kyoto exploit soon, as I just started my second Japanese war . I'm torn on whether to use it or not. It will be fun to try it out in a live AAR as it will certainly be patched soon enough. BUt it will take away whatever challenge is left in this run.

I think I'll do it just enough times to take a couple of screenshots and document it, and recoup the 140 ADM points I spent on coring Kyoto . But won't use it to finish the run. There is no fun in becoming unrivalled great power simply by developing my provinces from infinite mana .
 

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I will have the chance to try out the Kyoto exploit soon, as I just started my second Japanese war . I'm torn on whether to use it or not. It

don't give in to the tempations of the dark side!

it is a quick way to power, but it corrupts its victims really fast...
 

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I think I'll do it just enough times to take a couple of screenshots and document it, and recoup the 140 ADM points I spent on coring Kyoto . But won't use it to finish the run. There is no fun in becoming unrivalled great power simply by developing my provinces from infinite mana .
Just try it once and after that not any more. I see no problem with that, in the EU4 dev sessions they also have the rule a player can use an exploit once in a run.
 

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I looked up the exploit link on Reddit. bbqftw did it using Ainu as the vassal. You can't use a japanese subject because they will then make Kyoto their capital and you can't ask for it back. For me to use it , I will need to vassalize Ainu first, and then grant them a link to Kyoto . Since I am already at war with Hosokawa and Ando , this is a big hassle.

So I will resist the dark side , not through sheer willpower, but through laziness ;)