Is Western focus bugged?

[oblio-]

I'm playing the Ottomans on Ironman. I have conquered and cored Vienna, it now has 0 separatism. I have 1 stability, I'm at peace and it's 1657.

I don't see the decision to become Western tech. Has anyone seen this?

If it's truly a bug, this one thing might have costed me my WC attempt since I got almost all of Europe in a coalition when I conquered Vienna and I fought a pointless war afterwards that gave me truces with half the world plus it drained me of manpower and cash.

(Yes, I know it was a rather bad decision regardless, but I say: no guts, no glory)

 

[Isaios]

Well, I just took it as Russia, so that's not bugged. And I just ran two quick tests with Otto as well, and the decision was there and could be taken.

 

[ChildeR]

AFAICT from the script, the decision can only be taken once, globally. So perhaps the AI beat you to it?

 

[oblio-]

WTF! Polaaaaaand!

Oh well, planning sucked for me. I could have taken it in the early 1500s but decided not to bother (+ not to trigger an even bigger coalition).

 

[Vaximillian]

AFAICT from the script, the decision can only be taken once, globally. So perhaps the AI beat you to it?

WHAT?! That was pretty much the most unexpected change ever. Like ever.

 

[oblio-]

WHAT?! That was pretty much the most unexpected change ever. Like ever.

Note to self and wannabe world conquerors: check the major assumptions of your campaign before you start it.

Paradox loves to do these things

 

[Kapitalisti]

AFAICT from the script, the decision can only be taken once, globally. So perhaps the AI beat you to it?

That's...somewhat insane.

 

[Issac1709]

AFAICT from the script, the decision can only be taken once, globally. So perhaps the AI beat you to it?

Out of curiosity can you quote the code just for future reference?

 

[Sousuke123]

Out of curiosity can you quote the code just for future reference?

recognization_of_eastern_power_north = {
major = yes
potential = {
OR = {
culture_group = east_slavic
culture_group = finno_ugric
}
NOT = { has_global_flag = western_focus_done }
OR = {
technology_group = ottoman
technology_group = eastern
}
OR = {
ai = no
owns = 43
owns = 262
}
}
allow = {
adm_tech = 10
is_at_war = no
stability = 1
total_development = 300
government_rank = 2
OR = {
AND = {
owns_core_province = 43
43 = {
NOT = { nationalism = 1 }
}
}
AND = {
owns_core_province = 262
262 = {
NOT = { nationalism = 1 }
}
}
}
}
effect = {
set_global_flag = western_focus_done
change_technology_group = western
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
}
}

}

 

[Issac1709]

Edited this to make it easier to read.
Original code posted by

Spoiler: Code

recognization_of_eastern_power_north = {
major = yes
potential = {
OR = {
culture_group = east_slavic
culture_group = finno_ugric
}
NOT = { has_global_flag = western_focus_done }
OR = {
technology_group = ottoman
technology_group = eastern
}
OR = {
ai = no
owns = 43
owns = 262
}
}
allow = {
adm_tech = 10
is_at_war = no
stability = 1
total_development = 300
government_rank = 2
OR = {
AND = {
owns_core_province = 43
43 = {
NOT = { nationalism = 1 }
}
}
AND = {
owns_core_province = 262
262 = {
NOT = { nationalism = 1 }
}
}
}
}
effect = {
set_global_flag = western_focus_done
change_technology_group = western
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
}
}

}

 

[Lopatou_ovalil]

Edited this to make it easier to read.
Original code posted by

Spoiler: Code

recognization_of_eastern_power_north = {
major = yes
potential = {
OR = {
culture_group = east_slavic
culture_group = finno_ugric
}
NOT = { has_global_flag = western_focus_done }
OR = {
technology_group = ottoman
technology_group = eastern
}
OR = {
ai = no
owns = 43
owns = 262
}
}
allow = {
adm_tech = 10
is_at_war = no
stability = 1
total_development = 300
government_rank = 2
OR = {
AND = {
owns_core_province = 43
43 = {
NOT = { nationalism = 1 }
}
}
AND = {
owns_core_province = 262
262 = {
NOT = { nationalism = 1 }
}
}
}
}
effect = {
set_global_flag = western_focus_done
change_technology_group = western
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
}
}

}

what angry creature could do that.....it doesnt make sense

 

[Issac1709]

what angry creature could do that.....it doesnt make sense

I would say its an over sight and them meant to use country flag. Or vassal feeding and integrating a non western nation.

 

[Petrucci]

This is not fair. Decision should be taken once globally for each city.

 

[Will Steel]

Poland did into space before you reached the cities?

On a serious note, yes. This decision should be a global one time decision for only one city, and not just once for the entire game.

 

[Kapitalisti]

"I'm sorry my Sultan, the Poles already took all Western influences."

 

[oblio-]

Poland did into space before you reached the cities?

On a serious note, yes. This decision should be a global one time decision for only one city, and not just once for the entire game.

Poland PUd Lithuania early on (not a problem) and Bohemia later (I didn't even think this would be a problem).

Poland is a huge pain the b*** now, and will probably be the main reason I won't finish this world conquest. I have 0 military ideas and if one of their 40k stacks catches one of my 40k stacks slightly out of position, it's a stack wipe for them. Coupled with their Western tech, their 10000 million development and several annoying allies (the bonuses for independent nations hurt more than I expected)... it's going to be hard and inefficient to dismember them.

If I had known that Prague was such a huge prize I would have kept them gotten involved during that succession war

 

[IHateThisCo]

I kinda want to see a screenshot of the Commonwealth blob in that game.

 

[DicRoNero]

Note to self and wannabe world conquerors: check the major assumptions of your campaign before you start it.

Yeap.

Situation: I'm Muscovy and allied to the Ottos (no that uncommon these days). The Ottos want some lands off Moldavia, and if I DoW them directly they'd join just fine being promised land. That said, they want no lands off Poland and I've got no CB for Moldavia, but one would ASSUME that since Poland is Moldavian overlord and naturally will call them in, then I in turn would be able to call in the Ottomans, right? RIGHT?? Well, I was wrong! But who would have thought!?

 

[misiceman]

Yeap.

Situation: I'm Muscovy and allied to the Ottos (no that uncommon these days). The Ottos want some lands off Moldavia, and if I DoW them directly they'd join just fine being promised land. That said, they want no lands off Poland and I've got no CB for Moldavia, but one would ASSUME that since Poland is Moldavian overlord and naturally will call them in, then I in turn would be able to call in the Ottomans, right? RIGHT?? Well, I was wrong! But who would have thought!?

Same thing happend to me as Golden Horde. I wanted poland stuff they wanted moldavian (would have gladly given them it) but some wierd we dont want stuff from moldavia that GH doesnt have claims on..... I didnt have claims on moldavia and i could horde casus moldavia to trigger the war.... but no. lazy ottos.

 

[oblio-]

I kinda want to see a screenshot of the Commonwealth blob in that game.

I'll get one tomorrow. It's basically Poland + Lithuania + Bohemia + ~1/2 of Hungary.