Is this how Johan and Wiz look like while adjusting AE for 1.8?

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This is their face when they drop the next update and the forum explodes with AE-related complaints
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And this is the modders' faces when they have to fix it again
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Yes they are. I asked about it about week ago. Wiz said AE, and OE, and WS will be a little lower, especialy from trade. Unfortunately no exact values were given
 

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I'm going to get into trouble for this, probably. But.

Wiz said on the forum that AE will also scale based on base tax (on top of religion, culture group, culture, distance and stability hit of actions). I asked for a comparison using the conquest of Sweden as reference. He replied that the resulting AE shouldn't be higher in 1.8.

In another topic, when I reposted this discussion he said that nothing's final yet and they are tweaking the numbers.

Overall, my impression is that taking Lombardia (for example) without decent diplomatic preparation will bring hellfire on the attacker.
 
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Actually what I said was the assumption that taking Sweden under the new AE system (with AE scaled to BT) would result in more AE than before (when it was not scaled) was incorrect. Please don't attribute your assumptions as quotes from me, it misinforms people.
 

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Man, dragging out information from Paradox devs looks similar to getting information from Apple.
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Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding, that's what I got out of your reply (i.e. conquest of Sweden should result in similar AE in 1.7 versus 1.8).

I'll edit the post above.
 

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Actually what I said was the assumption that taking Sweden under the new AE system (with AE scaled to BT) would result in more AE than before (when it was not scaled) was incorrect. Please don't attribute your assumptions as quotes from me, it misinforms people.

Which changes can we expect for AE?
 

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imo AE levels isnt that bad.
what bothers me alot is, Ai joins coala extremely more focused on the human player than other more agresive Ai nations.
I have never seen an ai nation have a coala of more than 2 nations on it. while i have +5 on me easily being half as aggresive as other nations >_>
 

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imo AE levels isnt that bad.
what bothers me alot is, Ai joins coala extremely more focused on the human player than other more agresive Ai nations.
I have never seen an ai nation have a coala of more than 2 nations on it. while i have +5 on me easily being half as aggresive as other nations >_>

Unless you're playing on Hard, this is incorrect. Lucky nations get 25% less AE but for the most part the reason AI doesn't get coalitions is because it paces itself when expanding.
 

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Unless you're playing on Hard, this is incorrect. Lucky nations get 25% less AE but for the most part the reason AI doesn't get coalitions is because it paces itself when expanding.
Are you sure it is only -25% AE? Sometimes I think that all AIs are playing on easy (IIRC that is -50% AE) and lucky nations get another -25% AE on top of that. Btw I have played enough to see that the player is actually discriminated by the AI in several ways; for example whenever a player attacks an AI country that is already engaged in another war (against another AI country) the AI pretty much forgets about the other AIs and sends everything it got against the player and his/her vassals.
 

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Are you sure it is only -25% AE? Sometimes I think that all AIs are playing on easy (IIRC that is -50% AE) and lucky nations get another -25% AE on top of that. Btw I have played enough to know that the player the player is actually discriminated by the AI in several ways; for example whenever a player attacks an AI country that is already engaged in another war the AI pretty much forget about the other AI and sends everything it got against the player and his/her vassals.

You're wrong on both counts here, sorry.
 

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Give me a break, I´ll post the links ASAP.


Edit: Btw you better include a "forget this province/enemy" for vassal control in the next patch because this AI is just as dumb as the HOI III AI* when dealing with faraway enemies/theaters. In another words the German HOI III freaking out when Turkey territory is in the Axis is still there. Do you think that is confirmation bias also?

*No wonder becasue they are the same.
 
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Maybe I'll send you a "couple" of links/videos? 8 AE for 4 provinces? Fishy don´t you think?
I can't say whether that's fishy or not, since you haven't stated:
  • 8AE towards whom
  • for which four provinces
  • taken from whom
  • by whom
  • with which provincial culture and religion
  • with which ideas
  • with which CB
  • under which game settings