Is this hard (lucky) to get the external factors right (other communist countries) for the Balkan Socialist Federation ?
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Yes, it can be done quite reliably. As Bulgaria you need to sink a fair amount of PP into boosting communism, but once Greece and Romania are at roughly 70% communism support, they will flip.
As far as I know, flipping those countries needs to be a priority. Otherwise Greece might join the allies and Romania axis. I am unsure if Bulgarian focus to get them into your faction makes them leave their current faction.
As far as I know, flipping those countries needs to be a priority. Otherwise Greece might join the allies and Romania axis. I am unsure if Bulgarian focus to get them into your faction makes them leave their current faction.
Yes, but by that point they have joined a faction due to being attacked by italy or USSR
Currently doing a game with the Balkan Federation. Managed to flip Yugoslavia however they joined the Commintern instead of my faction. Wasn't a problem since once I joined the faction as well, I was able to integrate them regardless.
Now, I'm wondering if I released Romania as a puppet (they were annexed by Germany) will I get a decision to integrate them as well. All those Fatherland Focuses left me without most of my generals.
Now, I'm wondering if I released Romania as a puppet (they were annexed by Germany) will I get a decision to integrate them as well. All those Fatherland Focuses left me without most of my generals.
Did it yesterday some times and some things i recognised:
1. You dont need to boost communism in yugoslavia. They will join do to the focus regardless if they are communist or not
2. romania is difficult cause they sometimes just reset their political system.
3. i always managed to get greece communist. They will flip when they have over 50% and you then destabilisize
4. If you dont manage to make romania flip commumist, which is likely do to 2. , you can initiate a coup there and then there will be a decision for you to join the civil war.
1. You dont need to boost communism in yugoslavia. They will join do to the focus regardless if they are communist or not
2. romania is difficult cause they sometimes just reset their political system.
3. i always managed to get greece communist. They will flip when they have over 50% and you then destabilisize
4. If you dont manage to make romania flip commumist, which is likely do to 2. , you can initiate a coup there and then there will be a decision for you to join the civil war.
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The real challenge is not to just flip them before war, but also go all the way and integrate them with the last focus before Italy declares on Greece (chances are, you will not be able to hold off the entire Axis that isn't engaged in Barbarossa yet). Since the Italian Greece focus requires the latter to actually exist, this is the task very worth pursuing.
So it was an extremely difficult minmax hell, but I finally managed to do it...beat Italy by half a focus (i.e. they started their War on Greece when I was in the middle of my Balkans integration one). Here's how I did it:
1. You obviously need to beeline the Balkans focus, but it does have a couple blockers along the way...most importantly, these are the ones related to flipping communist. In my experience, you can only afford to take 2.5 non-political foci before flipping or you will be too late, so that's the maximum time you have to sort out your internal situation with factions.
There isn't a real universal advise here except to be very diligent in all your calculations...Very important is to take into account all of the faction loyalty bonuses you'll get from the different foci (because you can't afford to waste PP and time on the faction interactions that you don't need). Start by ONLY doing the socialists until you get the Marxist advisor and then keep working on them until you integrate. Then, bring the Zveno and agrarians to 50 (and not more) to take the Fatherland focus. Do NOT integrate either one of them or destroy the nationalists until you flip because all these things will increase ruling party support and decrease communism...after you do flip, kill the nationalists first because that will also give some bonus to the other factions (again, optimizing your PP expenditure).
2. You've got to heavily invest into spies. I built one MIL to get some rifle production going, but after that only spent my CIV on the spy agency...you don't need to do it day one (since you can't start increasing communism in Greece and Romania until you flip). But you'll definitely need to have a 100% network in both to start boosting immediately after you flip yourself. Also, get a third spy with an advisor or focus, I had two of them boosting and one more changing between the two countries to repair the degrading network.
3. Establish a PP and rifle stock to be able to do propaganda/destabilization decisions without any delay.
4. Even after all of that, I still had Greece and Romania at around 55-60% communism support by the time that I reached the Balkans integration focus...well, this is the risk you'll have to take. Between the 2.5 foci delay in the beginning and two more that you'll have to miss while preparing the Balkan project, you literally can't afford any more delay...So in my case, I jumped the gun and had both these countries go over 60% communism and flip while I was doing the focus and voila.
The rest of the Balkans achievement is a piece of cake after this. Even Italy gave me their stuff peacefully (their code for that event makes them accept your demand if you're stronger, and I already had more fielded manpower than them day one just because of all the units I've inherited from the three nations).
So it was an extremely difficult minmax hell, but I finally managed to do it...beat Italy by half a focus (i.e. they started their War on Greece when I was in the middle of my Balkans integration one). Here's how I did it:
1. You obviously need to beeline the Balkans focus, but it does have a couple blockers along the way...most importantly, these are the ones related to flipping communist. In my experience, you can only afford to take 2.5 non-political foci before flipping or you will be too late, so that's the maximum time you have to sort out your internal situation with factions.
There isn't a real universal advise here except to be very diligent in all your calculations...Very important is to take into account all of the faction loyalty bonuses you'll get from the different foci (because you can't afford to waste PP and time on the faction interactions that you don't need). Start by ONLY doing the socialists until you get the Marxist advisor and then keep working on them until you integrate. Then, bring the Zveno and agrarians to 50 (and not more) to take the Fatherland focus. Do NOT integrate either one of them or destroy the nationalists until you flip because all these things will increase ruling party support and decrease communism...after you do flip, kill the nationalists first because that will also give some bonus to the other factions (again, optimizing your PP expenditure).
2. You've got to heavily invest into spies. I built one MIL to get some rifle production going, but after that only spent my CIV on the spy agency...you don't need to do it day one (since you can't start increasing communism in Greece and Romania until you flip). But you'll definitely need to have a 100% network in both to start boosting immediately after you flip yourself. Also, get a third spy with an advisor or focus, I had two of them boosting and one more changing between the two countries to repair the degrading network.
3. Establish a PP and rifle stock to be able to do propaganda/destabilization decisions without any delay.
4. Even after all of that, I still had Greece and Romania at around 55-60% communism support by the time that I reached the Balkans integration focus...well, this is the risk you'll have to take. Between the 2.5 foci delay in the beginning and two more that you'll have to miss while preparing the Balkan project, you literally can't afford any more delay...So in my case, I jumped the gun and had both these countries go over 60% communism and flip while I was doing the focus and voila.
The rest of the Balkans achievement is a piece of cake after this. Even Italy gave me their stuff peacefully (their code for that event makes them accept your demand if you're stronger, and I already had more fielded manpower than them day one just because of all the units I've inherited from the three nations).
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Historical or ''free'' focus ? (I mean, do you prefer historical playthrough or ''custom''-custom went with Italian war in 1939. Ouch)
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No, this was historical. That's the only way to make a consistent and reproducible strategy. It works.
Yeah, I discovered that. Ahistorical sometimes work...and often don't.
Do you remove IMRO ?
Trying the achievement now, it seems you don't actually have to OWN the Balkan, just to have every Balkan state be a core of you - which means, complete the Unification of the Balkans focus. That's it. You need a single communist, Balkan country in your faction to go past 'United,We Shall Prevail', and the rest doesn't matter.
Edit: but you can't join the Comintern, because you need to be a faction leader and can't recreate a faction if you disband the Federation.
Edit: but you can't join the Comintern, because you need to be a faction leader and can't recreate a faction if you disband the Federation.
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You are correct, this achievement is bugged. Above, I was referring to also getting the Prussia of the Balkans achievement. From the point you integrate and get the situation on my screenshot, you just declare and roflstomp Turkey (easy), and do a little push (possible execute a nice pincer) to occupy and gain control of North Transylvania while holding the line elsewhere (Turkey got guaranteed by both Axis and Allies so you will be at war with everyone, but you don't need to win, because the achievement only requires control of the whole Balkans).
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Removing IMRO is one of my biggest hurdle, since I have to find a way to do it without taking a Bulgarian rearmament focus (to get manpower)
You can disband your faction, declare war against axis, join Great Britain and then declare against turkey. You will only be at war with axis then and the allies will help capitulate turkey. That makes it even easier.
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Pause and disband one of the useless cavalry division...then click on the decision before free manpower trickles into the other divisions.
Yes, I don't think the whole thing is doable without it. I think I went something like:
1. Communist direction until you stumble into communist support req
2. IMRO/Zveno
3. Fatherland direction
After this you might need to take a couple non-political ones while you're working on your factions to meet the Fartherland requirements
4. Fatherland
5. Communism
Just got 'Balkan Problem Solved', you only need to flip Yugoslavia communist and go to Unification of the Balkans in the tree. You don't need Romania, Greece or anyone else. The achievement is very poorly phrased, I could have done it in two hours instead of spending the last three evening trying to *own* the entire region...
I'll make a separate game for 'Prussia of the Balkans': if this one is only about controlling (rather than owning) the Balkan, I think I'll just join the Comintern and attack the Allies when the Axis is beaten. I've checked, Unification of the Balkans can annex any Balkan country in your faction, even when you are in the Comintern.
I'll make a separate game for 'Prussia of the Balkans': if this one is only about controlling (rather than owning) the Balkan, I think I'll just join the Comintern and attack the Allies when the Axis is beaten. I've checked, Unification of the Balkans can annex any Balkan country in your faction, even when you are in the Comintern.
I find it more efficient to hire the Communist Revolutionnary with the first 150PP. It's fairly expensive at first but you only have to put the Socialist at 55 loyalty, and don't have to negotiate with the Zveno at all. I go for Condemn IMRO/Dissolve Military Unions for the extra stability, and offset any unexpected stability hit from events. I also delay any +5% Communist focus for as long as I can (>20% for Communist ministers) since the effects of the daily boost are progressively reduced with higher popularity.
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Yeah I also had the achievement fire upon clicking the focus, but I don't think it's the phrasing...more likely an actual bug. So I did what it says anyway to feel better about myself and grab the other one too
Yeah I don't actually know how to calculate which of the ways is more efficient to be honest...Although it doesn't say so in the description, Fatherland does provide a pretty strong +0.30 Communism after all, so I don't know...But in the end, I went with Zveno because they have some powerful generals and advisors, while the Communists literally have nobody who could provide any kind of benefit on the general staff. It's kind of irrelevant if you just want to click the focus and get the achievement, but is kind of a big deal if you want to actually fight someone in that game.
Then take rearmament negotiation while you're working on your factions...But you don't need to remove them to progress anywhere, that can wait.