Is this a sign of being a bad player to abandon the continent as England ?

[True_Heir_of_Rome]

I've painted France red and abandoned the continent altogether. Both were fun and interesting games in different ways.

According to steam statistics more people have dismantled the HRE than had a core on Paris as England. Take that how you will as far as a measurement of skill.

 

[Incompetent]

Playing as England/GB, I don't care about France per se. It's nice land to have and it removes a potential threat, but you don't need that clay.

What I do care about though is the English Channel trade node. If you're trying to collect overseas trade there, having to compete with the other side is a constant annoyance, and I'd rather just have a straight monopoly. That means a continental presence, and at that point it's easier in the long run to just take over France via the HYW, rather than having to keep fending them off.

If the HYW events/missions didn't exist though, I'd settle for taking over a chunk of northern France, enough to lock down the English Channel and neutralize France as a threat. A crippled rump France in the south is just fine from an English perspective.

According to steam statistics more people have dismantled the HRE than had a core on Paris as England. Take that how you will as far as a measurement of skill.

The difference is that you can get Ruina Imperii as any country, whereas for One Night In Paris you have to start as England. Probably a lot of players who dismantled the HRE prefer to play in central Europe and have never done a serious England game.

 

[schondetta]

nah of course not. however if your goal is to be a better player than challenging yourself is the way to go.

 

[Rashie]

Depends on whether you plan on getting involved in continental wars in the early to mid game. A france PU will make attacking Spain and the HRE much easier.

A player led British navy will be unmatched against anything the AI will possibly throw at you. Add that to the fact that the AI is horrible at fighting wars that involve shipping troops overseas to begin with, so yeah.

 

[Sfan]

A lot of people also got Ruina Imperii in 1.19 (was it?) where there was a bug where it often dismantled itself.

 

[Orkonkel]

The sign of a bad England player is being forced to abandon mainland provinces. Willfully relinquishing them because you are not interested in anything but the colonial game doesn't mean you're bad at the game, it only means you're playing the game in a very specific (and definitely suboptimal) way.

 

[makaramus]

The sign of a bad England player is being forced to abandon mainland provinces. Willfully relinquishing them because you are not interested in anything but the colonial game doesn't mean you're bad at the game, it only means you're playing the game in a very specific (and definitely suboptimal) way.

actually no... england one of countries that got hardest start... france got way too better military and you gonna be offander of war if you dont surrender maine. also if france ally with aragon or castille the war is over for you I mean even a good player can sometimes have trouble with england start
ofcourse if you surrender maine you can make someting better but forcing union is harder (wich it seems no one else using strategy I using so... )

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

A lot of people also got Ruina Imperii in 1.19 (was it?) where there was a bug where it often dismantled itself.

I got it way back when forming the HRE gave you the achievement. Something like 1.04 and before?

 

[Rainbow Mirage]

I was set on getting the PU in my current game... but the event never fired. Currently 1466.

 

[Sfan]

You should not rely on the event, you should chase the mission.

 

[CoolSpin]

Im doing a GB space marines run, I take the ideas id take for Prussia, going to get 120% disc, and 125% with advisor. This thread inspired me to do this, also I always felt English units are paper. I did not get maine event, luckily. Castile got BI, and im allied to emperor so I can just gobble away. France pretty much insta-allied ottomans, and most of his allies are in Italy area. I did ally castile, but when I saw France force break an alliance, somebody, with castile, I knows either France wanted my shit, or it would be castiles shit. I disolved the alliance. Sure enough northern castile is now painted blue. Denmark did a war vs novgorod, I thought them takin claims of muscovy would break their alliance, but no.

Compared to my 2 previous games, I've had quite a few positive events!

I own Holland and canary islands, just put a colonist in the CoT in west Africa. That is just a side mission to not get bored for truces to expire.

 

[Orkonkel]

Getting the union is super easy.

 

[CoolSpin]

Keeping it that way isn't always a walk in the park, should be noted.

 

[True_Heir_of_Rome]

A lot of people also got Ruina Imperii in 1.19 (was it?) where there was a bug where it often dismantled itself.

I had no idea. Learn something new every day.

 

[PhoenixG]

actually no... england one of countries that got hardest start... france got way too better military and you gonna be offander of war if you dont surrender maine. also if france ally with aragon or castille the war is over for you I mean even a good player can sometimes have trouble with england start
ofcourse if you surrender maine you can make someting better but forcing union is harder (wich it seems no one else using strategy I using so... )

Eh, their start is quite equal. England only start with a few k units fewer and a little worse starting general. Before France gets his elan national idea, you're just equal in terms of mil power.

 

[Sfan]

There is the issue of Provence on current patch however. They add 10k to France in any defensive war.

 

[Mingmung]

I always liked to keep the English territories in France, even expand further. Never managed to PU them, only smashed them apart.

Many restarts, though.

So, yeah, to each their own.

 

[indika_tates]

After choosing economic ideas and converting to protestantism I never missed continental provinces when I had every province of E.C. node at 15-15-15 development in 1650.
Not so hard to do when you earn 300d/month only from trade mid-game (5% renaissance, 5% protestantism, 20% economic, 10% edict, 5% tropical wood, -10% agricultural, -10% burghers, -10% cloth, -20% universities, -10% prosperity). Late game you have more development in 40 provinces that Russia or Ottomans on 300.

So abandoning your provinces on France if you want to focus on trade or colonization is a wise idea. Specially because you can declare war on everyone no matter how powerful their allies are. The AI has nothing to do when you have more heavy ships than the rest of the world united.

 

[Dsingis]

Of course it's not a sign of being a bad player, if you're not going for that kind of playthrough.
If you're out for a colonizer playthrough, why would you meddle with european affairs? Those lands will only get you entangled in conflicts.

But if you're out for european hegemony, then you should try to hold onto those lands and PU France.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Another option is to release Gascony as a vassal and destroy the fort in Normandy. Then it really doesn't seriously affect a warscore or exhaustion if you get occupied. Been a while since I played as England but I recall doing that, then blockading France and dragging the war out long enough that 1-2 other majors declared war on France, which made it pretty easy to eventually swoop in and destroy them.

Yup. I find it advantageous to play with no forts in anything but core areas. It means more provinces get captured but it keeps the AI from getting enough warscore to matter.