Cara Ellison is clearly not longer at Hardsuit Labs because she gets many job offers.
Also keep in mind that after her Twitter break (26. Mai to 11. October) she hasn´t mention her previous job at Hardsuit Labs at all.
So yeah i still believe that she was fired and also signed a NDA which doesn´t allow her to talk about anything regarding Bloodlines 2, Hardsuit Labs and Paradox.
Oh really?!? But they still want our money so maybe we deseve some answers about stuff which was promised and if prominent marketing facesHowever, I really disagree that we "deserve" anything. HL owes us nothing.
Neither do i. The basic game without DLCs is almost finished from the writing part but it still bad that both Mitsoda and EllisonI do not believe their departure (whether it was being fired or not) will have too much of an impact on the released game.
Who knows if they are still making all this promised content. They are planned but plans can change.However, it may have an impact on the DLCs, besides the initial story boards and other ideas they may have already created. Remember, that the DLCs are already planned. They know what they will be.
Come on we are talking about only the public faces who were used heavly for Marketing. Nobody cares about Dev Joe who works in the shadow.But the most important thing to take away: we are not owed or deserve anything. If you feel that way and it makes you cancel your preorder than fine. That's your decision. But no game company should feel as though they owe an explanation to every single occurrence that happens with staff. Turnover happens.
Not i am not. I am a proud european / german (not so much german of course because germans aren´t allowed to be proud expectAlso with your glassdoor reviews and your responses previously, I'm really curious if you're still a student.
I won´t sound arrogant but i am glad that we have in Europe not this extreme Hire and Fire mentality and more protection like you guys in USA.One last thing I will say is that this may be more of a difference between American and European cultures as well. I'm very well aware of the difference in work culture between the two regions. As HL is American, as well as I am, these practices are very familiar to me. It may not be so much for our European community.
Of course if you became a parent or looking for other job because severall reasons that this isn´t bad becauseAnywho, I gotta agree with Eber that multi-year projects always see turnover. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
Oh really?!? But they still want our money so maybe he deseve some answers about stuff which was promised and if prominent marketing faces
are gone or not.
Neither do i. The basic game without DLCs is almost finished from the writing part but it still bad that both Mitsoda and Ellison
can´t refine it to the last minute of development.
Who knows if they are still making all this promised content. They are planned but plans can change.
Come on we are talking about only the public faces who were used heavly for Marketing. Nobody cares about Dev Joe who works in the shadow.
And Ellison was after Mitsoda and before Cluney the second most known person.
So if Ellison wasn´t used that heavly for the marketing we likely haven´t known her so of course no statement is needed.
Not i am not. I am a proud european / german (not so much german of course because germans aren´t allowed to be proud expect
important national Football games if you won´t be label as "Nazi") mittle class worker who is happy that he can´t fired that easy because of worker protection laws.
By the way the two german Bloodlines 2 producers Florian Schwarzer and Christian Schlütter weren´t fired but only removed from this project.
Why? Because of european worker protection laws.
I won´t sound arrogant but i am glad that we have in Europe not this extreme Hire and Fire mentality and more protection like you guys in USA.
However, it is also bad because people who pre-order then think they are entitled to something more than receiving the game after it is completed. It is a trade. You spend money for a product that you will ultimately receive, whether you wait to buy it after it's completed or before. You do not own shares in the company or have any investment in the company whatsoever. Because of that, they owe you nothing but a completed game ("completed" not necessarily meaning a bug-free, great game).
this is kinda of hsl/pdox's own making.
That's a bit of an oversimplification imo. Consumer expectation (shaped by common industry business practices and brand reputation) and contractual obligations are two different things. And again,
They coulda just announced the game as 'when it's ready' and left it at that. They opted not to.
And again companies still want our money for their games. So we deserve atleast some information regarding the product.However, it is also bad because people who pre-order then think they are entitled to something more than receiving the game after it is completed. It is a trade. You spend money for a product that you will ultimately receive, whether you wait to buy it after it's completed or before. You do not own shares in the company or have any investment in the company whatsoever. Because of that, they owe you nothing but a completed game ("completed" not necessarily meaning a bug-free, great game).
Sorry but almost nobody know about Mitsoda before Bloodlines 2 marketing. He was known by some fans who are well informedAs for Ellison, I have a lot of respect for her but I don't think many people even truly knew she was working on the game, at least compared to Mitsoda. Her departure won't be as missed. That is no disrespect to her, just more of a high praise to Mitsoda.
We all know that the DLCs will only exist when the Bloodlines 2 sales are ok enough for Paradox to justify them.Plans can change, but if they change any future DLCs, it is probably due to other reasons than narrative departures.
I would argue that they used Ellison more for marketing because unlike Mitsoda she is good at PR stuff like Interviews.However, I disagree with you comparing Ellison as a marketing face. Mitsoda was used as a marketing face because of his work with BL1. It was his name that led credibility to the project. Ellison did do interviews but it's not remotely the same. She was just marketing the game to upsell the great story. It is not like HL was using her name and experience as a reason to get the game, like they did with Mitsoda. Two very different things. There are plenty of developers that are used in interviews for games.
Oh really?!? But they still want our money so maybe he deseve some answers about stuff which was promised and if prominent marketing faces
are gone or not.
It was absolutely an oversimplification. I could have gone in more detail on industry practices when it comes to development updates, but industry practices do not have a bearing on contractual obligations via payment for game, as you stated. I didn't believe it was necessary as it's a separate discussion.
They could have, but not many developers only do that. Nearly every company has some type of development update, at least when it comes to AA or AAA games. The difference is the frequency and the type of updates. In one of my posts, however; I did state that the vast majority of updates, especially ones that go into high detail, are usually never released until 1-2 months before release. Updates outside of that time frame are much less frequent and completely up to the developer, as they do it solely to raise awareness and potentially get excitement/more preorders. But I don't think that it is one or the other, like you are suggesting. They have every right to go dormant and not give updates until its on their terms. That's the point.
Is it? Well i believe that we as costumers have also rights. Of course Hardsut Labs / Paradox can whatever they like do with this gameDeserve is the wrong word.
To be fair the average gamer who doesn´t care about this stuff and just view the game as what it is.Biggest problem over here is that they raised hype at the beginning and then just stopped. Lack of communication and marketing overall lead to frustration, frustration then led to speculations, speculations lead to conspiracy theories....Aaaand now the fan bas is as it is
Customer rights is defined by the law. You have the right to cancel or order the game as you please.Is it? Well i believe that we as costumers have also rights.
You will get that from the marketing department long before the game is ready for launch because marketing sells games.But still they want our money even before the game is even finished. So yeah we deserve some informations
that Bloodlines 2 is still a good investment for our hard earned money.
That is pure capitalism ... not complaining, i like that phylosophy, kinda ...However, it is also bad because people who pre-order then think they are entitled to something more than receiving the game after it is completed. It is a trade. You spend money for a product that you will ultimately receive, whether you wait to buy it after it's completed or before.
Your knowledge is lacking then. There's no jurisdiction on earth that legislates employers being criminally loyal to their employers outside of government. In any case, "not harming" your employer doesn't mean actively lying for them, which is the silly claim going on here.Seemingly you lack job experience and knowledge of laws (though these differ from country to country).
As an employee you're, to my knowledge, literally bound to protect your employer from harm and not participate in harming them. Meaning your employer might hold an actual valid reason to fire you without any lay-off benefit, for you engaging in "badmouthing" them - and possibly even compensation for harm caused. But besides the possible legal ramifications there, it's an act of professionalism not to talk badly about your products, nor your employer.
But sure, in practice you'll find people in sales who'll tell you there might be better products out there - which partially can be a marketing pratice and partially sheer unprofessionalism...
Then again you're acting as if Outstar wasn't employed in Marketing/PR - she's. Her whole job contains building a positive community, which excludes talking too badly about things and includes talking more positively about things. So she's in that not really different from nuclear power station spokespersons "What leak? --- Oh that leak.".
So let's play Uno Reverse - how low do you think of Outstar thinking that she's being that unprofessional, taking money for not doing her job?
People back then didn't ridicule them. They voiced concerns about the game not being ready in the mentionend timeframes. And, what a wonder, they were right. It's still not ready. And if not for idiots trying to denounce everyone seeing a problem as idiots - as it was 'clearly labeled as alpha footage', it wouldn't have gotten half as bad as it did.