Is there anybody that doesn't research dangerous tech as soon as it becomes available?

[Anthropoid]

I started to allow some kind AI in my policies, and some uppity lobster face guy sent me a message that I was "playing with fire." He was all the way on the other side of the galaxy, but I didn't want to deal with a war at that point, so i just reversed the policy and have never gone back.

That was like ~300 years ago, and I'm now mostly getting the generic "+5% boost" techs so I'm not even sure if I already got all the "AI techs" or what . . .

I didn't get the "AI rebellion" thing going like I did in one previous save, and I believe I was the first one to get Psi Jump drives, but do not recall anything "crisis" like relating to that. As of 2700 AD my game has got a bit dull. Time to war dec some pipsqueaks and have some fun I guess. . .

 

[Biologist]

I'm at -200 relations with a FE for dabbling in AI and refusing their demands. They are likewise on the other side of the map, and they have never declared on me despite my legalization of AI for pops and leaders. I think if they can't reach your territory they don't bother declaring war...or it might be that my fleet is rated as "Superior" to the FEs at this point.

 

[RyuKazuha]

I don't. Sometimes for RP-reasons, sometimes because I need something else found in the selection or the tech does not promise to be worth the time.

This is especially the case with the regular jump drives. As they require Wormhole III tech, but to me are in general a downgrade compared to their prerequisite, as they are stopped by borders, seem to prone to FTL-Snares along the way and need 30 Energy wich could be used for shielding. They'd be way more interesting for a civ using Warp or Hyperlanes, who don't get access for whatever reason.

Sentient AI is kind of neat for the research bonus, but if drawn late into the game, it may not appeal to me as much (oh, faster +5% whatever... yawn).

 

[quicklyrainbow]

Sentient AI is kind of neat for the research bonus, but if drawn late into the game, it may not appeal to me as much (oh, faster +5% whatever... yawn).

It's 10%, at least, but yeah.

 

[RyuKazuha]

It's 10%, at least, but yeah.

Yes, it's 10% faster, what I meant though is, that late in the game all that's left are the various "+5% to whatever"-techs. ^^

 

[Druesling]

Many people play with many different playstyles. Some invent robots, some dont. So: Yes, there are people that don't immediately invent the red techs.

 

[stavern]

How many red technology are there? Just the synth intelligence or is the Psi drive considered one to?

 

[RyuKazuha]

Jump Drive, Synthetics, Sentient AI and Psi Jump Drives.

 

[kazper]

I'm at -200 relations with a FE for dabbling in AI and refusing their demands. They are likewise on the other side of the map, and they have never declared on me despite my legalization of AI for pops and leaders. I think if they can't reach your territory they don't bother declaring war...or it might be that my fleet is rated as "Superior" to the FEs at this point.

It's your superior fleet. If you should somehow lose enough of it I'm pretty sure they'll take the opening to come whip you. They are not suicidal though.

 

[bobthedog]

Is there any benefit to having both types of jump drive?

Other than having the Unbidden appear faster, no. Though you need to use wormholes AND have access to psionics (i.e. Spiritualist, non-Materialist and lucky, or Materialist and jumping through hoops) to be able to get both.

 

[Anthropoid]

How do the Psi Jump Drive and the Jump Drive compare? I've got the Psi Jump at least twice but never the Jump. I tend to play spiritualists with warp tech I guess.

 

[kazper]

How do the Psi Jump Drive and the Jump Drive compare? I've got the Psi Jump at least twice but never the Jump. I tend to play spiritualists with warp tech I guess.

Warp doesn't matter. As long as you are spiritualists and either put a psionics or maniacal trait scientist on society it's pretty easy to get PSI drive. In fact one of my favorite cheeses in this game if I'm going spiritual is to start out hyperdrive for the insane exploration speed early on (and to reveal hyperdrive lanes) and then switch to PSI Jump Drives by mid game. Of course that usually lead to the Unbidden which is getting g boring so...

The only difference between the drives is range, but that also matters a lot as it translates directly into speed (in larger galaxies in particular) and the range is +50% In fact regular jump drives have significantly shorter range than standard upgraded Wormholes (although are faster to charge for large fleets) which makes them an iffy proposition at best.

 

[Anthropoid]

Ah sweet, so Psi Jumps rule. I had noticed my range seems impressive

 

[bobthedog]

Warp doesn't matter. As long as you are spiritualists and either put a psionics or maniacal trait scientist on society it's pretty easy to get PSI drive. In fact one of my favorite cheeses in this game if I'm going spiritual is to start out hyperdrive for the insane exploration speed early on (and to reveal hyperdrive lanes) and then switch to PSI Jump Drives by mid game. Of course that usually lead to the Unbidden which is getting g boring so...

The only difference between the drives is range, but that also matters a lot as it translates directly into speed (in larger galaxies in particular) and the range is +50% In fact regular jump drives have significantly shorter range than standard upgraded Wormholes (although are faster to charge for large fleets) which makes them an iffy proposition at best.

Another significant difference between wormholes and jump drive is that you have to respect borders with the latter for some weird reason... So you can't hop "across" someone's territory.

But yea, Jump and Psi Jump only differ in range. The only reason not to get the latter is being Materialistic and therefore almost unable to get the techs.

 

[TankRush]

I always research them because CHAOS IS FUN!!!

 

[mikiencolor]

If my fleet strength is low, I avoid them. If I'm equivalent to a Fallen Empire, I throw caution to the wind.

 

[kazper]

Another significant difference between wormholes and jump drive is that you have to respect borders with the latter for some weird reason... So you can't hop "across" someone's territory.

Is this confirmed (for PSI Jump drives)? Because in 1.0.3 I'm almost certain I jumped over neighbours with no military access using my PSI Jump Drive fleet. I haven't really needed to do that in 1.1 so far as I've tried out new combinations based on materialist in 1.1.

 

[bobthedog]

Is this confirmed (for PSI Jump drives)?

Unbidden appeared in that system.
Green borders = Fallen Empire
Pink borders = Neutral blob
Blue borders = Federation member

I had to revert one fleet to wormholes to be able to reach the Unbidden portal.

There was an even weirder border issue elsewhere in the galaxy, but the federation is at war with the guys involved so I can cross through their borders right now and couldn't get a screenshot of it.

 

[Culthrasa]

one thing i found out... If you reseach the tech's (and ramp up those negative points) just set your Robot policy to outlawed... All those negative points will go away Works best for Spiritualists ofcource, but could give you a way out for other ehtics too (just not materialists)....

 

[TheDungen]

Well I started just next to the keepers of knowledge in my recent game, I did hold of on the dangerous tech until I was confident I would beat them.