Is there any reason to go with the own faction as France/Italy/Japan?

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kettyo

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When I play Germany and delay the war with the Soviets, most of the time they end up declaring war on me once they're finished bullying the minors in their neighborood.

Maybe it's coded to be so with historical AI focuses. With ahistorical they usually go ahead to the "anti-capitalist diplomacy" branch and then anything can happen. But really Soviets shouldn't ideally be played by AI either.
 

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I find the Little Entente to be quite good as France in the 1936 start. Your eastern allies together are stronger than Poland, Italy won't join immediately, and you can capture part of the Ruhr to even up the industrial capacity.

It's still a tough fight, but unless the British help more than 1.2, you have better odds than if you wait until 1939.
 

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90% of my games are as Italy and 90% of those are with "Italy First".

here's a piece of info that might prove useful if you want to try it.

a possibility of war between Italy and Germany exists in that scenario, and there isn't much you can do to stop it, fyi. if your ally Bulgaria has a civil war, where fascists rebel against your ally Tsar Boris, well guess what. Italy is still allied to Boris, which puts you at war with fascists. If those fascists are backed by Germany, BAM instant war with Germany.

had it happen several times, and makes for an interesting surprise.

This has happened to me a few times; I find it incredibly annoying though. If Bulgaria is in the Axis and the civil war starts, then the other Axis members auto-declare on me (as Germany). I've been wondering about how I can mod this to prevent such weirdness from happening.
 
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I think the Italian alliance focus allows you to ally Portugal after Spain while isn't available through the Axis path. Japan doesn't really get anything though except that it prevents Axis forces from bleeding to death in Siberia.
 

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I'm trying it as SP France now. France's first ally is Czech. The war started when Germany pushed on Czechoslovakia instead of Poland. Germany immediately went after their Poland focus anyway and brought the Allies in. I was afraid I would be fighting alone.

I was able to push the front line to the Rhine (planning bonus, yeah!), so Germany has maybe five fewer factories to work with. I actually broke through when they declared on Luxembourg and I was able to roll some German units up north of the Mosel river, then cut off a few more at whichever province Trier is in. I encircled maybe 15 units tops but their army crushed Czechoslovakia in the mean time. They are at full strength, otherwise. I lost no units yet.

I quickly took Libya and Sardinia from Italy. Hoping to take Albania and Dodecanese islands soon. Don't know how long I can hold the line at Savoy though. The war started before I could get any forts down there. Italians keep attacking my mountain line, delaying fort construction. (I went all in on my production since I needed lots of guns. I probably should have done one level of forts in early 1938.)

With the Allies showing strength in Poland I'm hoping we can wear them down... There is a stalemate at the Rhine. I almost didn't give engineers to my units due to pre-war combat experience limits but I got them equipped just in time. River and entrenchment bonuses seem to be helping hold the line there.

I need to get across the Rhine somehow or relieve the Savoy line with a naval invasion of Italy, something. Can't really build more troops though. I have just enough production to keep my existing army fully equipped! (Especially with 1939 level stuff coming online soon.)

I'll keep you posted.

SR,
p.s. Amelia Earhart lived! Praise Glory Be!
 

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I'm trying it as SP France now. France's first ally is Czech. The war started when Germany pushed on Czechoslovakia instead of Poland. Germany immediately went after their Poland focus anyway and brought the Allies in. I was afraid I would be fighting alone.

I was able to push the front line to the Rhine (planning bonus, yeah!), so Germany has maybe five fewer factories to work with. I actually broke through when they declared on Luxembourg and I was able to roll some German units up north of the Mosel river, then cut off a few more at whichever province Trier is in. I encircled maybe 15 units tops but their army crushed Czechoslovakia in the mean time. They are at full strength, otherwise. I lost no units yet.

I quickly took Libya and Sardinia from Italy. Hoping to take Albania and Dodecanese islands soon. Don't know how long I can hold the line at Savoy though. The war started before I could get any forts down there. Italians keep attacking my mountain line, delaying fort construction. (I went all in on my production since I needed lots of guns. I probably should have done one level of forts in early 1938.)

With the Allies showing strength in Poland I'm hoping we can wear them down... There is a stalemate at the Rhine. I almost didn't give engineers to my units due to pre-war combat experience limits but I got them equipped just in time. River and entrenchment bonuses seem to be helping hold the line there.

I need to get across the Rhine somehow or relieve the Savoy line with a naval invasion of Italy, something. Can't really build more troops though. I have just enough production to keep my existing army fully equipped! (Especially with 1939 level stuff coming online soon.)

I'll keep you posted.

SR,
p.s. Amelia Earhart lived! Praise Glory Be!

Thanks a lot for your war story. It is always entertaining to read.

In the other hand single player it is not really a good measurement of the usefulness of grand strategies since the AI fails on all the production, field management, and decision making fronts. For any serious game Germany absolutely must be played by human player. The German AI is a total psycho. In case Britain, France, and the Soviet Union all are in their own factions the German AI will declare upon them one after the other. If Poland is in their own faction they will declare that too :) So German AI will fight everyone at the same time 90% of the time. Any German human player would defeat the enemy factions one by one, starting with Poland or France.