Is there any hope for 1.20 China Patch?
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Changelog for 1.20:
- Removed Ming, took too much effort to make it work. China is now a wasteland, as suggested by Arumba.
- Japan has a new religion called "Anime" - was requested by 95% of twitter poll voters.
- Anime faith lets you pick between +50% discipline or +30% sailor moon production, based on favorite sushi roll.
- Every Japanese leader now has the first name Samurai.
- Added 85 new tribes in the Amazon jungles, with the ability to reach the space age at 1501.
Are there any good mods out there for the far-east, or are you only interested in the vanilla game?
To be perfectly honest, I didn't play in the region for a long time, but I have read a lot of opinions from players that do, and I sympathize strongly.
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Apparently Paradox not having good enough negotiators is the problem at hand.
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Because the game definitely needs Asian tourist mechanics spreading westwards and Pokemon hunters exploring Amazonia 
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I sold a trade company for ten million ducats... to someone from CHINA!
Am I supposed to dislike CHINA?
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Because the game definitely needs Asian tourist mechanics spreading westwards and Pokemon hunters exploring Amazonia
That's planned for 1.21, unless a twitter poll would say otherwise.
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This thread is so salty I think I could make some beef jerky in it.
But I agree! East Asia update next please.
But I agree! East Asia update next please.
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Would love a far east revamp, but the priority should be to rework the combat system and colonialism.
Trump would probably block any China based DLC because it would take jobs away from the colonists.
Trump would probably block any China based DLC because it would take jobs away from the colonists.
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Would love a far east revamp, but the priority should be to rework the combat system and colonialism.
Trump would probably block any China based DLC because it would take jobs away from the colonists.
Bloody colonials! Always blocking the China DLC to keep der jobs!
Since DLCs usually add something new along with a rework of existing mechanic, I don't see why a rework of the combat system AND a far-east addition can't be bundled together.
I mean, we all wanted Fetishism to be expanded. I know I've spent many sleepless nights wondering "WHEN IS FETISHISM GOING TO BE REWORKED?!"
And then we got it in addition to great powers, the Prussian monarchy, and whatever it is I paid for in Rights of Men.
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I think what's needed for 1.20 is a new CB...
The Europa Universalis CB which allows a European nation to attack any non-European nation with 0% AE and free coring afterwards. Justification is that the name of the game is Europa Universalis and all non-Europe is supposed to be a giant punching bag.
The Europa Universalis CB which allows a European nation to attack any non-European nation with 0% AE and free coring afterwards. Justification is that the name of the game is Europa Universalis and all non-Europe is supposed to be a giant punching bag.
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Obligatory post.
Much as an advocate I am for East Asia getting something, I'm not certain saying it was the most economically important region in the world during this period is the way to go about it, especially given that the Ming effectively banned nautical trade, Japan entered Sakoku, Korea didn't do much of anything to note economically, Ryukyu was just a puppet, and the Qing later became isolationist.
Much as an advocate I am for East Asia getting something, I'm not certain saying it was the most economically important region in the world during this period is the way to go about it, especially given that the Ming effectively banned nautical trade, Japan entered Sakoku, Korea didn't do much of anything to note economically, Ryukyu was just a puppet, and the Qing later became isolationist.
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Vanilla. Sadly needed for Ironman and achievements
Like a moth to a flame.
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Sure, but European traders traveled halfway across the world to trade with the Orient because their goods were so valuable and desired by the west. Europe was an economic backwater especially in the first half of this game.
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I'm not going to get into a large debate about it right now, but I can assure you that, no, Europe was by no means economically backwater compared to Asia in the first half of the game - or really since the Fall of Rome. Asia having raw goods that Europe didn't have isn't proof it was more of an economical powerhouse, it's proof that Europeans wanted those goods and had the economic power to sail across the globe, seize and hold enclaves, create and maintain colonies, and trade for goods the Asians wanted to get them.
Let's be careful to not go too far the other way - yes, Asia's severely underrated and underdeveloped, but we don't need to dismiss or downgrade Europe to make our case stronger. In a way, it's like Byzantophilia; Byzantium is indeed underrated and deserves more attention than the average person gives it, but the lengths that some people go to make it so is beyond absurd.
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Yeah I'm more than supportive of us getting an Asia expansion but there's no need to piss off the devs about it. Some people here are extremely... spirited about it which I sorta feel undermines the cause more than anything.
There's nearly always a thread on the front page about it, the devs are aware people want an Asia expansion, it is going to happen. I think it's only worth getting annoyed over if it turns out to be bad.
There's nearly always a thread on the front page about it, the devs are aware people want an Asia expansion, it is going to happen. I think it's only worth getting annoyed over if it turns out to be bad.
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As a Chinese player, I am not worried that no DLC for EU4 to repair the east asia, even not one for China, there shall be one for Japan( like DW ) and we Chinese would share the glory from Japan.
（And for the relationship of Paradox and the "10cent Empire", the possibility of a new DLC/Expansion for East Asia should be higher than the EU3 Period, I guess)
In fact, I could understand the difficulty of PDS to design the Oriental Gaint Power, the region is the most populous area in the world and even more than the whole India , this area was often discribied as extremely wealthy, and China has too many features of an early modern country even with the possible characteristic of the nation country after Tang Dynasty, this country should have the power over 8 France Kingdoms in 1444 Scanerio, during Yongle Period Ming indeed did it, with a similar mililary policy of Themes in byzantine Empire, over 2800K soldiers are raised.
Then, Why China Dynasties have not expansioned like the Mongols or annexed those states in indochina ? Why the centralized country often meet the fate of split or got invasion by North people and have a maximum lifespan of about 300 years? Why the peace and wealthy country with many progressive factors to modernization has not lead the World Advance? Why Europe, not China? this is the biggest problem the PDS has to face if PDS want to make a possible solution,.
"Why Europe, not China?" is of course the biggest issue that Chinese "Folk Historians" have to face, which is called" Needham Question " The answers are abundants, but not of the current mechanism in EU4, in EU4 the points and institutions are more important, the institutions system can be a reply of this question by PDS but still untenable. While, the PDS still have not made a good explanation why the Ming collepsed, I think the MT have made a good change( but too horrible of AI Ming and dynasties in China).
In my eyes, I do not mind these nerfs and limits to Ming/China, I only hope the developments in the world shall be redone, the balance of development is just like the political correction to me, I still believe the development system should be removed to a simplified provence population system and a shallow prosperity system, the recent development system is of course a stupid core mechanism to me, and I still get sad that PDS make development system more unreal.In fact, provinces in China now are lacked, the province in China now are too huge compared with every corner in the map, and also provinces' number in Japan is too tiny to reply the Sengoku Period. This is a shame to a serious historical game yet for the historical administrative divisions are easily to fetch in East Asian for the common tradition.
As a modder, I have researched the population of each counties in Ming Dynasty, I am happy that 70% population data of counties in Hongwu Period are available, though my research is much unscientific and full of estimate and even guess, while I am pride of what I have done. If I have more time, I would make a map mod about East Asian region, I hope China and India shall have a huge number of provinces and I could have 480 provinces in China(PRC and ROC today) .
In my estimation, Ming in 1444AD shall have about 100 Million People, To my research, the Total Europe( without East Slavic and Russia today, Sweden, Finland, Scottland+Ireland) should have a conversion of population and development: 12.5K people= 1 development, then Ming in 1444AD shall have 8000 developments, Ming have been nerfed to 1/7 according to my calculation, the India totally been nerfed to its 1/6 to 1/5.(The nightmare of rebalance)
When it comes to choose history or balance, I choose history.
（And for the relationship of Paradox and the "10cent Empire", the possibility of a new DLC/Expansion for East Asia should be higher than the EU3 Period, I guess)
In fact, I could understand the difficulty of PDS to design the Oriental Gaint Power, the region is the most populous area in the world and even more than the whole India , this area was often discribied as extremely wealthy, and China has too many features of an early modern country even with the possible characteristic of the nation country after Tang Dynasty, this country should have the power over 8 France Kingdoms in 1444 Scanerio, during Yongle Period Ming indeed did it, with a similar mililary policy of Themes in byzantine Empire, over 2800K soldiers are raised.
Then, Why China Dynasties have not expansioned like the Mongols or annexed those states in indochina ? Why the centralized country often meet the fate of split or got invasion by North people and have a maximum lifespan of about 300 years? Why the peace and wealthy country with many progressive factors to modernization has not lead the World Advance? Why Europe, not China? this is the biggest problem the PDS has to face if PDS want to make a possible solution,.
"Why Europe, not China?" is of course the biggest issue that Chinese "Folk Historians" have to face, which is called" Needham Question " The answers are abundants, but not of the current mechanism in EU4, in EU4 the points and institutions are more important, the institutions system can be a reply of this question by PDS but still untenable. While, the PDS still have not made a good explanation why the Ming collepsed, I think the MT have made a good change( but too horrible of AI Ming and dynasties in China).
In my eyes, I do not mind these nerfs and limits to Ming/China, I only hope the developments in the world shall be redone, the balance of development is just like the political correction to me, I still believe the development system should be removed to a simplified provence population system and a shallow prosperity system, the recent development system is of course a stupid core mechanism to me, and I still get sad that PDS make development system more unreal.In fact, provinces in China now are lacked, the province in China now are too huge compared with every corner in the map, and also provinces' number in Japan is too tiny to reply the Sengoku Period. This is a shame to a serious historical game yet for the historical administrative divisions are easily to fetch in East Asian for the common tradition.
As a modder, I have researched the population of each counties in Ming Dynasty, I am happy that 70% population data of counties in Hongwu Period are available, though my research is much unscientific and full of estimate and even guess, while I am pride of what I have done. If I have more time, I would make a map mod about East Asian region, I hope China and India shall have a huge number of provinces and I could have 480 provinces in China(PRC and ROC today) .
In my estimation, Ming in 1444AD shall have about 100 Million People, To my research, the Total Europe( without East Slavic and Russia today, Sweden, Finland, Scottland+Ireland) should have a conversion of population and development: 12.5K people= 1 development, then Ming in 1444AD shall have 8000 developments, Ming have been nerfed to 1/7 according to my calculation, the India totally been nerfed to its 1/6 to 1/5.(The nightmare of rebalance)
When it comes to choose history or balance, I choose history.
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Colonialism was touched on in El Dorado + Conquest of Paradise in addition to the natives.
That said, I apologize to whoever I missed the quote from, but I do agree with "Get angry once it comes out if it's bad rather than now because it's not out". That's not to say don't keep making these threads, but the salt in this thread while I don't think is unwarranted is better served elsewhere. After all, how much saltier would you be if they made a far east DLC that turned out to be like MN for naval rework? Or Native Americans currently with "primitive status" after 2 DLC focused on them?
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Honestly not sure what you meant by that
Do enlighten me please, if there is there a good mod for far-east out there. I don't care for ironman.
If it's one of the two big ones, alas, too heavy for my taste.
The Ming "ban" on trade wasn't too effectively enforced (unlike Qing). Most of the Spanish gold and silver in Americas ended up flowing into China.
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