Is there any hope for 1.20 China Patch?

[Sfan]

Now the biggest question: assuming they do Japan and China well... what region of the world do we petition for next?

As many people expressed, India lacks love, there needs to be something done about Sikhism, Marathas and Mughals, because right now the game fails at representing this the way it consistently represents Reformation, the Dutch or Persia while it was historically as important.
Russia could use a patch, but not a DLC imo. Something to add more provinces like the Denmark patch, maybe a unique government type as well, but the overall sitution is ok.
That would also be about time we have a major colonization revamp, even if we likely won't have one. The more the game advances, the less attractive colonization becomes. Every patch nerfs it and makes everything else more fun, so while it is supposed to be the heart of the game it became some really minor and annoying part of it. Something that can provide a better and more realistic experience but also allows things like the Spanish bankruptcies would be really interesting.

 

[Llyw olaf]

As many people expressed, India lacks love, there needs to be something done about Sikhism, Marathas and Mughals, because right now the game fails at representing this the way it consistently represents Reformation, the Dutch or Persia while it was historically as important.

Indian advisor portraits and Europeans in India would also be nice, Portugal is lonely.

 

[Dakka]

As many people expressed, India lacks love, there needs to be something done about Sikhism, Marathas and Mughals, because right now the game fails at representing this the way it consistently represents Reformation, the Dutch or Persia while it was historically as important.
Russia could use a patch, but not a DLC imo. Something to add more provinces like the Denmark patch, maybe a unique government type as well, but the overall sitution is ok.
That would also be about time we have a major colonization revamp, even if we likely won't have one. The more the game advances, the less attractive colonization becomes. Every patch nerfs it and makes everything else more fun, so while it is supposed to be the heart of the game it became some really minor and annoying part of it. Something that can provide a better and more realistic experience but also allows things like the Spanish bankruptcies would be really interesting.

Indian advisor portraits and Europeans in India would also be nice, Portugal is lonely.

After East Asia, the entirety of the world will be "functional". They will just need to make different parts feel more unique. Namely India and Eastern Europe. Those would be my two that need the most love, but I will push for that far less passionately than east Asia.

 

[Grand Historian]

After East Asia, the entirety of the world will be "functional". They will just need to make different parts feel more unique. Namely India and Eastern Europe. Those would be my two that need the most love, but I will push for that far less passionately than east Asia.

At this point, I'd also say Catholicism of all things could use something of a revision so that it won't be so restrictive to Europe. It got a pretty decent following in East Asia during this period, after all, and there's still the issue of it being more advantageous to be Protestant as Jerusalem than Catholic.

 

[Koramei]

At this point, I'd also say Catholicism of all things could use something of a revision so that it won't be so restrictive to Europe. It got a pretty decent following in East Asia during this period, after all, and there's still the issue of it being more advantageous to be Protestant as Jerusalem than Catholic.

Something fleshing out the Jesuits, maybe? I was thinking that might be part of this patch since they were pretty important in Asian history, but they could fit for any colonial expansion really. I totally agree with whoever posted a bit before that the colonial system in this game needs an overhaul. It should be far more profitable, less easy to colonize but also far more possible for Europeans to make inroads into Asia and do conquests of the Mesoamericans and Andeans.

 

[DàbiànLājīdàrén]

Why is is the Philippines completely empty? Were they really all just nameless savages in this period?

 

[Golladan]

After East Asia, the entirety of the world will be "functional". They will just need to make different parts feel more unique. Namely India and Eastern Europe. Those would be my two that need the most love, but I will push for that far less passionately than east Asia.

Southeast Asia.

 

[randomguy123]

i think that the ottomans should start off with ming as a vassal

 

[Grand Historian]

Something fleshing out the Jesuits, maybe? I was thinking that might be part of this patch since they were pretty important in Asian history, but they could fit for any colonial expansion really. I totally agree with whoever posted a bit before that the colonial system in this game needs an overhaul. It should be far more profitable, less easy to colonize but also far more possible for Europeans to make inroads into Asia and do conquests of the Mesoamericans and Andeans.

I had an idea for a Mendicant Order system to replace Cardinals for RotW in my Catholic rework thread; the idea was basically that you would get to patronize one of the Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans or Augustinians and gain benefits and drawbacks for each one you did (as they were the four most important of the orders who went overseas - the Franciscans also arguably doomed the Jesuit missions in East Asia).

As for the colonization, I can't really say much that hasn't already been written, but one of the things that made Mesoamerica and the Andeans much easier to conquer than the tribes of North America was that they already had established and even well built and maintained infrastructure - both in the physical and bureaucratic sense. There was also the fact that North America was much less profitable for colonial ventures at first than South America, but we have the advantage of hindsight and know the NA nodes will eventually be worth a whole lot more than both Europeans and Americans at the time thought possible, and naturally go for them.

 

[Grand Historian]

i think that the ottomans should start off with ming as a vassal

That would actually be a pretty big nerf to the Ottos, seeing as how there's no way Ming will stay loyal.

 

[iquabakaner]

After East Asia, the entirety of the world will be "functional". They will just need to make different parts feel more unique. Namely India and Eastern Europe. Those would be my two that need the most love, but I will push for that far less passionately than east Asia.

America? I am always wondering why even Aztec's rival Tlaxcala which was a great warrior state doesn't have its own idea.

 

[bitmapmedivh]

Why is is the Philippines completely empty? Were they really all just nameless savages in this period?

Not even close. There are Philipine countries in the history files, but the don't appear until after 1444. Most of them appear later due to the ruler converting to Islam and renaming the country or capital. It's a pretty arbitrary decision from Paradox's side, as the states themselves either predated the conversion or were replaced by a state that was for most intents and purposes the same state. Most of them, Sulu and Tondo in particular, should exist in 1444. Especially considering the number of playable NA tribes and Kongolese "kingdoms" in 1444.

 

[Llyw olaf]

After East Asia, the entirety of the world will be "functional". They will just need to make different parts feel more unique. Namely India and Eastern Europe. Those would be my two that need the most love, but I will push for that far less passionately than east Asia.

I'm hoping the next DLC includes mechanics for Shinto, Confucian and the Shogunate. I would prefer if they were consolidated together in a "China/East Asia" themed DLC rather than dispersed between various DLC's.

 

[Lysistrata]

Yeah, I'd like to see Japan represented as the HRE, with the Emperor as an initially landless, unelected "Pope" (that way if you go for an early Meiji restoration, you get an actual member of the Imperial dynasty as Emperor rather than ahistorically usurping it for yourself) who can receive Yamato if no daimyo or shogun has their capital there. Possibly make a separate tag for a united Shogunate (like a fully reformed HRE), with Imperial Japan using the current Japan tag.

 

[Metroidkirby]

Oh fantastic! I really am hopeful now!

Now the biggest question: assuming they do Japan and China well... what region of the world do we petition for next?

Not really a region, but a dynastic system could be really better than the horde of railroading events in western Europe

 

[Grand Historian]

Yeah, I'd like to see Japan represented as the HRE, with the Emperor as an initially landless, unelected "Pope" (that way if you go for an early Meiji restoration, you get an actual member of the Imperial dynasty as Emperor rather than ahistorically usurping it for yourself) who can receive Yamato if no daimyo or shogun has their capital there. Possibly make a separate tag for a united Shogunate (like a fully reformed HRE), with Imperial Japan using the current Japan tag.

An Early Meiji Restoration against the Ashikaga would make zero sense; it was only possible because the Tokugawa were actually effective at keeping the majority of the daimyo under their thumb to begin with. The Ashikaga just ended up puppeted a ton of times because they were so weak before Nobunaga decided he wasn't going to be part of the cycle.

 

[Lysistrata]

An Early Meiji Restoration against the Ashikaga would make zero sense; it was only possible because the Tokugawa were actually effective at keeping the majority of the daimyo under their thumb to begin with. The Ashikaga just ended up puppeted a ton of times because they were so weak before Nobunaga decided he wasn't going to be part of the cycle.

Still a better option than usurping the Empire as a daimyo/shogun. If an early Meiji Restoration against the Ashikaga would be so awful, tie it into the new ages system.

 

[Grand Historian]

Still a better option than usurping the Empire as a daimyo/shogun. If an early Meiji Restoration against the Ashikaga would be so awful, tie it into the new ages system.

The point I'm making is that there shouldn't be a Meiji Restoration at all without a strong Shogun; Choshu and Satsuma banded behind the Emperor not because they necessarily wanted Imperial rule restored (indeed, the aftermath of the Meiji restoration was just a shift from a Samurai Aristocracy to a Samurai Oligarchy), but because his was the only legitimate cause to raise arms up against the Tokugawa. There were no Tokugawa pretenders running around like there had been for the Ashikaga, and the Tokugawa had a large personal demesne so one couldn't just waltz in and put them under their 'protection', again, in contrast to the Ashikaga. Restoring the Emperor was the only way they were going to be able to wage an effective political war against the Shogunate - elsewise, they would have just been dismissed as rebellious domains (this was especially evident in the First Choshu expedition, where Choshu had yet to ally with Satsuma or fully come out in full support of the Imperial Court, and thus nominally surrendered to the Tokugawa's demands).

 

[Golladan]

I'm hoping the next DLC includes mechanics for Shinto, Confucian and the Shogunate. I would prefer if they were consolidated together in a "China/East Asia" themed DLC rather than dispersed between various DLC's.

One would assume that a DLC adding mechanics to China (and apparently Manchu) as well as provinces to those areas, as well as Japan, will also touch on Shinto, Confucian, and/or the Shogunate.

 

[bitmapmedivh]

One would assume that a DLC adding mechanics to China (and apparently Manchu) as well as provinces to those areas, as well as Japan, will also touch on Shinto, Confucian, and/or the Shogunate.

Depends though. It already looks to be quite a meaty DLC/patch as is. Map overhaul, Tributary system, new government form for Ming, new system for China, new Banner system for Manchus, Ages mechanic, devastation/prosperity system, overhaul for the Shogunate system (IIRC Johan mentioned this in the stream), not to mention new models for East Asian ships!

If they ignore the religions I wouldn't be surprised, though I sincerely hope they don't.