Is there any hope for 1.20 China Patch?

[Dakka]

I think it has been made quite clear through various posts, comments, and videos that the Far East is hilariously misrepresented in terms of mechanics, and down right broken/unfair for others. The desire has been there for some time for a major rework for both a Ming tributary system and a Japan "HRE-like" system. I am consistently seeing threads pop up on this either requesting something done or suggestions made, with little to no response from any of the devs.

So my question is: is there a chance 1.20 will be the change that's been asked for? I'm getting the feeling it won't be, but I am still hopeful. What I am thinking at this point is that the next DLC/Expansion will be based on internal order and stability, which is a mechanic that also needs some love, but the Far East is definitely in need of some attention.

Thoughts?

inb4 TMIT and Grand Historian comments

 

[gronak]

I would really like to see Grand Historians Japan suggestion added.

I think more interaction between China and Europe would be a good addition. We never see any Europeans in China, let alone trading posts such as Hong Kong and Macau.

 

[Vroobel]

inb4 TMIT and Grand Historian comments

I see what you did there.

 

[Zerodv]

I would really like to see Grand Historians Japan suggestion added.

I think more interaction between China and Europe would be a good addition. We never see any Europeans in China, let alone trading posts such as Hong Kong and Macau.

Hong Kong is outside the game´s time though.

 

[gronak]

Hong Kong is outside the game´s time though.

It was just an example really. Macau was not outside of the games time.

 

[ruzen]

Colonialism and Far East should be the priority.

 

[Ironside121]

Well apparently the next DLC is the biggest thing they've added.. so I doubt it'll be China, but it could impact it in a very big way. And there's always other updates.

 

[wingzero890]

I will not purchase the next DLC if it does not address the lack of content and development to east asia, the most economically important and populated region in the world during this period.

I like this game, but enough is enough. There are other titles out there that I could be playing instead of hoping for a miragelike rework of east asia that we've been waiting on since 2014 when art of war was released.

Instead we'll probably get more 'flavor' for European tags, and more insignificant hamlets like Ribe will get their own provinces if patch history is anything to go by. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Timewalker102]

There's a lot wrong with Asia

- Mandate of Heaven is really stupid and RNG-based
- Japan sucks
- India is too hard to divide and conquer as it happened IRL (religious mechanics were big there)
- Sikhism, Confucianism and Shinto have no mechanics
- Isolationism is not at all represented
- The Philippines are boring as hell

I can keep going on. Every other continent has had special DLC: so why not the biggest and second-most played one of all time?

 

[iquabakaner]

Rather than having Mandate of Heaven which is too RNG-based, I would rather have some more mechanics on the internal political situation happening in Ming. There was a reason Ming didn't aggressively expand historically. People's negative perception on expansions (especially seafaring which is why Ming didn't conduct any major expeditions after Zheng He), emperors handing over power to various faction and do their own thing (Several Ming emperors just don't care about the outside world. I am the Emperor and I can do anything I want, so I pursue my hobbies!), inability to eliminate the threat of northern hordes (Not that you can't win, just that you can't stop them from coming back), etc.

And of course events that led to the instability in later times. Widespread famines (which is believed to be due to the little ice age) led to the peasant revolts, eventually toppling the regime.

 

[Ulec]

@Johan

Asian content plox

 

[TenshiN]

As someone who plays 90% of my games in Asia, i agree, it certainly can use some love, especially since every country bar Japan has nothing to distinguish them from a generic tag but a set of ideas. Yeah, most of them didnt even have ideas before, but, imo, its time to expand on it. Its certainly more important than a unique government for another euromajor.

 

[Tasse]

Asian patch would be great. Mandate of Heaven should be reworked

 

[Comrade Kalle]

I agree with pretty much everything that has been said here. It's about time east Asia gets some love.

 

[Kryndude]

I think the fact that East Asia is a politically sensitive region makes it even more unlikely to happen. Even if PDX try their best to accurately portray East Asian history, there is always going to be a bunch of nationalists yelling at them about how ignorant they are.

Besides, AFAIK a vast majority of the EU4 fan base are Europeans. You can't really blame a company for making stuff that'll actually sell. Not to mention the piracy problem we have over here in China and Korea (don't know if it's the case in Japan as well).

It'll be great if they finally do an Asia revamp, but I'm not expecting it too much.

 

[wingzero890]

I think the fact that East Asia is a politically sensitive region makes it even more unlikely to happen. Even if PDX try their best to accurately portray East Asian history, there is always going to be a bunch of nationalists yelling at them about how ignorant they are.

Besides, AFAIK a vast majority of the EU4 fan base are Europeans. You can't really blame a company for making stuff that'll actually sell. Not to mention the piracy problem we have over here in China and Korea (don't know if it's the case in Japan as well).

It'll be great if they finally do an Asia revamp, but I'm not expecting it too much.

Some time ago a dev released the most played nations list, Japan and Ming were 17 and 20 respectively. Pretty far down you might say, but still more than most.

These are the top 23 most played countries in EU4 measured in new starts and saves loaded as that country (not counting duplicate starts/loads on the same day). These stats are not the same ones I mentioned last week. Playing a Custom Nation is still the most popular choice, so these are the top 23 historical nations played.

1) England
2) France
3) Ottomans
4) Castile
5) Brandenburg
6) Austria
7) Muscovy
8) Portugal
9) Poland
10) Great Britain (presumably mostly from continued saves)
11) Sweden
12) Teutonic Order
13) Papal States
14) Byzantium (yes, you made the top 20)
15) Prussia (presumably mostly from continued saves)
16) Spain (presumably mostly from continued saves)
17) Japan
18) Hungary
19) Denmark
20) Ming
21) Netherlands (presumably mostly from continued saves)
22) Commonwealth
23) Burgundy

The reason for 23 is that our regular metrics summary cuts off after that and lumps the rest into 'Other'. About 1/3rd of games are played as 'other'.


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Somewhere around 40-45% of users have at least one mod activated while playing. This number drops sharply after any major patch (due to mods being broken) but then eventually stabilize back around that level.

 

[iquabakaner]

I think the fact that East Asia is a politically sensitive region makes it even more unlikely to happen. Even if PDX try their best to accurately portray East Asian history, there is always going to be a bunch of nationalists yelling at them about how ignorant they are.

Not having any mechanic is more likely to make this worse......

 

[fred.erick]

I, for one, would like to see more African tribes in the deep jungles. They should be able to conquer the entire world in 1612 with unique religious mechanics, national decisions, and possibly the addition of steam powered transforming airships. That is obviously much more important.

 

[wingzero890]

I, for one, would like to see more African tribes in the deep jungles. They should be able to conquer the entire world in 1612 with unique religious mechanics, national decisions, and possibly the addition of steam powered transforming airships. That is obviously much more important.

Also unique government forms with event chains for new OPMs that no one asked for but are getting added to the map anyways

 

[Ulec]

Also unique government forms with event chains for new OPMs that no one asked for but are getting added to the map anyways

Can't type OPM without OP.

Can't type China without Nah.


Clearly OPM development is the superior route.