Is there a way to switch out of a gavelkind?

[beckdawg]

I started out in Ireland after some suggestions and got going fairly decently. But then I couldn't figure out why I was scheduled to lose certain titles on death. So, to fix matters I granted the person I wanted to get the land the rights. But, that made war challenging with so few levies. Then I realized the problem was gavelkind.

I would think there is a way but it's not immediately obvious to me.

 

[Blitzzer]

Have a character rule your realm for 10 years. After that, assuming you are at peace, no vassals hate you or are fighting each other, you can change your succession laws to something else from the Laws tab in the upper left corner of your screen.

 

[grumphie]

primogeniture is advised. about no problems with sucession like splitting up your demense or elections to worry about.

 

[telegraph]

you will also have to have a high CA for that, it will be tough with ireland though, as you will need to:
1. create kingdom,
2. rise CA 3 times (three rulers needed),
3. change the succession laws.

I would suggest getting duchy eary and then becoming a superduke with only one holding. this way you will not lose your duchies on succession.

 

[Zsrai]

You change it through the Laws tab. In Ireland you can usually get away with Elective without much hassle, and you can swap to that without any Crown Authority prereqs. If you expand much out of Ireland you'll most likely want to swap to Primo though.

 

[grumphie]

before you form the kingdom you can freely switch to primogeniture. chances are youll rle 10 years before you manage to unite ireland and will thus be able to get primogeniture.

 

[telegraph]

before you form the kingdom you can freely switch to primogeniture. chances are youll rle 10 years before you manage to unite ireland and will thus be able to get primogeniture.

Really? I can have primo in an unformed kingdom? bummer.

 

[Comradebot]

Really? I can have primo in an unformed kingdom? bummer.

Yup. Have a game going with House d'Albon in Burgundy, and my liege broke free from the HRE. After that, I could (and did) switch to primo. On the downside, my liege got overrun by Muslims, so I fled back to the safety of the HRE before conducting my counter holy war to reclaim Provence.

 

[tuareg109]

Elective is the way to go.
+10 (I think) vassal opinion
If you have mid-high diplomacy and your selected heir is likable (he should be the best character of your dynasty), you're all set, no matter the number of vassals you have.
The only problem is with roleplay/historicity.

 

[Persiani]

I agree with Tuareg109 Elective is the way to go. I did it my last Ireland save

 

[Grifen88]

Yep. I switched to agnatic-cognatic primo when I was only Duke of Connacht. Never looked back since.

 

[grumphie]

Elective is the way to go.
+10 (I think) vassal opinion
If you have mid-high diplomacy and your selected heir is likable (he should be the best character of your dynasty), you're all set, no matter the number of vassals you have.
The only problem is with roleplay/historicity.

elective is all fine when you knwo what youre doing and get decent rulers. for a newbie on the other hand its less than perfect. elective is the strongest sucession law, primogeniture the most save and simple.

 

[gekomees]

Is there a way in which I can force peace on all my vassals? I'd like to change to elective but at least one of my vassals is always waging war with some other vassal.

 

[Cymsdale]

Is there a way in which I can force peace on all my vassals? I'd like to change to elective but at least one of my vassals is always waging war with some other vassal.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be, and this can be a major annoyance if you are trying to change the succession law in a huge realm (since someone is always fighting someone). I'm not even sure why this is a requirement, it seems kinda arbitrary. It's not something you have much control over.

 

[Mutineer]

That is a problem with big empires/kingdoms. As it should be, bigger your realm - more dificult and chancy to change succession law. If you are not too big I would suggest to raise crown autority to max and pray. and it help if you constantly clean up your vassals laudry, in turm of claim plots. If they do not have claims, they can not go to war.

 

[Gingerninja]

I would stick to Gavelkind, if Ireland has Free Investiture. (I dont' know) If you appoint your younger sons for Bishoprics they lose their claims and rights to inherit. Right now I also experience a bug where I only need to nominate my second oldest son, and suddenly all the younger sons lose their rights as well.

If it's papal, then good luck.

 

[Comradebot]

I would stick to Gavelkind, if Ireland has Free Investiture. (I dont' know) If you appoint your younger sons for Bishoprics they lose their claims and rights to inherit. Right now I also experience a bug where I only need to nominate my second oldest son, and suddenly all the younger sons lose their rights as well.

If it's papal, then good luck.

The only problem is, you can't start shoving them in churches until after they've turned 16. If your ruler kicks the bucket before then, you'll see lands get split still.


EDIT: And put me in camp in favor of primo (though honestly, I enjoy dicking around with gavelkind). When elective works, it feels super gamey at times. Your ruler is always awesome, and where's the fun in that? I've bypassed incompetent and possessed rulers, and as such I've passed on the opportunity to experience a little extra internal strife in CKII. But if it doesn't work, yeah, you're gonna be pissed in all likelihood.

As a newbie, I'd advise against it. To insure elective rocks, you have to game the system and ultimately design your realm to insure that you're always going to get a member of your dynasty on the throne. Just switching to elective as, say, Scotland without doing some re-arranging of the political structure there is inviting disaster.

 

[unmerged(600321)]

I usually go elective or primogeniture. If I have the ability to pick primogeniture, I usually go with that once bigger, but with a smaller realm, elective is nice because I can pick a successor with the best traits. I usually always marry a partner with genius, so invariably one of my kids has that trait. With elective, I can ensure my successor has +5 to all stats, while I can't do that with primogeniture.

However, primogeniture is usually best once you get bigger. With elective systems each Kingdom could end up going to someone else if you have multiple Kingdoms or an Empire. Basically, when duchy sized or even 1 Kingdom sized, I prefer elective. After that, primogeniture is usually best. If gavelkind, switch out of it the moment you can. Losing land to "pretenders" (your other kids) is a pain to deal with on succession.

 

[beckdawg]

Yeah I been elective since the start. It's not really that difficult to manage even with gavelkind but more annoying than anything. Think my problem was medium CA.

 

[tuareg109]

I would stick to Gavelkind, if Ireland has Free Investiture. (I dont' know) If you appoint your younger sons for Bishoprics they lose their claims and rights to inherit. Right now I also experience a bug where I only need to nominate my second oldest son, and suddenly all the younger sons lose their rights as well.

If it's papal, then good luck.

That's a problem if your ruler has 3 sons, and you make 2 of them bishops, and the 1st dies before he inherits or produces an heir...you're screwed.

I never really understood why people never thought of that.