I'm trying to make a strategy as Turkey and I want to reform the Ottoman empire, but I don't see a way to invite ottoman loyalists without later on triggering a civil war.
Is there any way to avoid this?
Is there any way to avoid this?
Is there a way to restore the Ottoman empire without a civil war?
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Be mostly occupied by an enemy, that seemed to do it for me. Otherwise, I can't imagine so
Yeah, I was actually surprised at how weak they were... they don't seem to actually take any of your own forces so if your army is a decent size you should not have much of a problem.
Probably most of you caught this because you are better players than me, but a key is don't fight the traditionalists in the early game under Kemal. Let the country go to Hel because that makes the civil war easier when you are traditionalists.
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Depending on how much you rooted out the enemy from within, the civil war will be easier or harder. If you keep the Kemalists mostly oppressed, you will have no trouble with the civil war.
You can reduce them to just two states on the other side on the straits then before civil war remove all your armies. Train 1 cav division and annex them in 1 day.
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I haven't played Turkey on the new Beta patch yet, but if you prioritize the decisions that say "Root out the Kemalists in state XXX" that will make the civil war easy to win.
Don't be tempted (like I was) by the 200 PP decisions to max out Traditionalist support. Instead, save up for the 100 PP decisions that flip non-aligned states to Traditionalists, and root out Kemalists in states where they already have influence. These decisions will pop up slowly over time (every 60 days or so), so make you have the PP to take the decisions as soon as it appears.
And don't waste your PP with the Kurdish decisions. just put them on Martial Law occupation policy until you have the reconciliation occupation policy unlocked. It might also be a good idea to research Military Police I and II, and add them to your Horse division to keep the Kurds from rebelling.
Don't be tempted (like I was) by the 200 PP decisions to max out Traditionalist support. Instead, save up for the 100 PP decisions that flip non-aligned states to Traditionalists, and root out Kemalists in states where they already have influence. These decisions will pop up slowly over time (every 60 days or so), so make you have the PP to take the decisions as soon as it appears.
And don't waste your PP with the Kurdish decisions. just put them on Martial Law occupation policy until you have the reconciliation occupation policy unlocked. It might also be a good idea to research Military Police I and II, and add them to your Horse division to keep the Kurds from rebelling.
I do the opposite, I set Kurdistan to "no garrison" and let them revolt at the earliest opportunity, that way the state modifiers go away permanently, no waste of political power, and I get a bunch of army experience.
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I just watched FeedbackGaming's Turan run, and I am changing my position to be in full agreement with you. Letting the Kurds revolt is the better strategy. I had no idea that the Kurdish modifiers were removed permanently once you defeat their full rebellion.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's a hell of a run:
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Haven't seen that video, I just saw someone say to do it on discord and it turns out to work well.