Is there a point to buy this game?

[Gunnarr]

Hello

I am a fan of some of the Paradox games. I started with EU3. I then went on to CKII, then Victoria II, then Hearts of Iron III

I did not buy EU4 because it had all kinds of dlc, day 1 dlc and I did not agree with some of the changes. Besides I was having fun with Hearts of Iron. These are a few fond memories from EU3, and I would like you to tell me if they are still similarly possible in EU4:

As a Russian state (Such as Muscowy), struggling hard to survive against the mongols in the early years. But eventually overcoming them. (Are the Nomads a real challenge early game or not)

As Byzantines, the great struggle to survive against the Ottomans, but if played with enough skill you can take back at least some of the lands taken

As the Pope, taking Italy and Declaring the Kingdom of God on Earth and other such things. This was one of my favorite things to do. After taking Italy, I would try to make Europe stay Catholic as much as possible, and to convert other christian countries. Is such things like that still possible? And one of the most fun I had in EU3, was to take territory from countries, then release them as vassal after they where conquered, thus making a vassal "Archbishopric" country. (Such as a Archbishopric of Poland, under the Pope" To literally fufill the event to create a "Kingdom of God on Earth" Can I still take over all of Europe slowly, and make them all Bishop Vassals to My Holiness? I remember a dev diary about a limit on vassals now

Thank you.



PS, is the DLC $$$$$-grubbing very bad in this game or not

 

[Payens]

I don't think you can turn vassals into bishops.
The struggle as Byzantium is as epic as one might guess.

Since I got into EU4 _without_ all that "$$$$-grubbing" prejudice you seem to suffer from, I really learned to love it and am enjoying all it's DLCs. The DLCs do add a lot to the game (mostly if you play outside of Europe). Important stuff is implemented along with DLCs for free anyways.

Got to decide for yourself if it is your cup of tea. The game is great though.

PS: Title sounds a lot like you're trolling - not sure if this is to attract more views and thus replies or what? But it's a pretty stupid title. Of course there is a point to buying it, in that you can then play it >.<

 

[artemis667]

EU4 is a better and richer game than EU3, and you can do everything you did in the previous games. Try it, or watch some let's plays, read some reviews, and make a decision. If you like the features added by the DLCs, get them. If you're not interested, don't. Paradox have been excellent with their support of the game, adding new features and fixing bugs for everyone in the community, whether they bought add-ons or not, so there's no plausible justification to suggest they're moneygrubbers.

 

[balmung60]

Hello

I am a fan of some of the Paradox games. I started with EU3. I then went on to CKII, then Victoria II, then Hearts of Iron III

I did not buy EU4 because it had all kinds of dlc, day 1 dlc and I did not agree with some of the changes. Besides I was having fun with Hearts of Iron. These are a few fond memories from EU3, and I would like you to tell me if they are still similarly possible in EU4:

As a Russian state (Such as Muscowy), struggling hard to survive against the mongols in the early years. But eventually overcoming them. (Are the Nomads a real challenge early game or not)

As Byzantines, the great struggle to survive against the Ottomans, but if played with enough skill you can take back at least some of the lands taken

As the Pope, taking Italy and Declaring the Kingdom of God on Earth and other such things. This was one of my favorite things to do. After taking Italy, I would try to make Europe stay Catholic as much as possible, and to convert other christian countries. Is such things like that still possible? And one of the most fun I had in EU3, was to take territory from countries, then release them as vassal after they where conquered, thus making a vassal "Archbishopric" country. (Such as a Archbishopric of Poland, under the Pope" To literally fufill the event to create a "Kingdom of God on Earth" Can I still take over all of Europe slowly, and make them all Bishop Vassals to My Holiness? I remember a dev diary about a limit on vassals now

Thank you.



PS, is the DLC $$$$$-grubbing very bad in this game or not

The DLC's fine and adds meaningful content, though you'll also get plenty with each patch even if you don't get the DLC.

The day 1 DLC was all minor (Byzzie and Muslim event packs and a few unit packs) but nice if you're playing the relevant regions.

The start date is 11-11-1444 instead of some time in 1399 (never played EU3), so Muscovy's actually quite a strong start. For more challenging (and thus, fun) and a similar-ish experience, play Novgorod and hold off Muscovy and become Russia yourself. Alternatively, play the hordes and fight against their historical fate.

Nomads are potentially powerful in the early game, but the AI derps pretty hard as them (mostly just expands into other hordes) and Paradox keeps nerfing them patch after patch, even though, other than the Timmies, they all underperform. By 1600, they're just easy land for "civilized" nations.

The Byzantine struggle is always there, and if you want to do it, I recommend getting Purple Phoenix for the Byzzie events.

The Pope can declare the Kingdom of God, but it sucks (just gives cultural union and a little manpower and prestige while disabling the Curia mechanics). Also, I don't think nations you release will be theocracies, but I could be wrong there, since I never really played theocracies.

 

[mattkunz]

Struggling against hordes sadly isn't really a thing any more. This is partly due to the later start date, when compared to EU3 with expansions, and partly due to underpowered hordes (except for Timurids). Your papal game would run into problems, because the number of relation slots is limited. You start out with 4-5 and can usually get it up to 8 or so, but it's costly to have as many vassals, as you described. Keeping Byzantium alive is now even more of a struggle though and the strategies are changed after each patch.

I think EU4 is certainly already better than EU3, there's just more to do. You can still have similar games, as you described, just those specific ones won't go the same way.

 

[wheeler23]

Is there a point to buy this game?

omg yes. if you buy any pdx game, buy eu4.

now, perhaps, pdx has now entered a stage where they make a total game cost about 120$ including DLCs adding content, but hey, you don't have to buy everything. Although EU4 is kind've bland without the expansion DLCs.

 

[No idea]

Hello

I am a fan of some of the Paradox games. I started with EU3. I then went on to CKII, then Victoria II, then Hearts of Iron III

I did not buy EU4 because it had all kinds of dlc, day 1 dlc and I did not agree with some of the changes. Besides I was having fun with Hearts of Iron. These are a few fond memories from EU3, and I would like you to tell me if they are still similarly possible in EU4:

As a Russian state (Such as Muscowy), struggling hard to survive against the mongols in the early years. But eventually overcoming them. (Are the Nomads a real challenge early game or not)

As Byzantines, the great struggle to survive against the Ottomans, but if played with enough skill you can take back at least some of the lands taken

As the Pope, taking Italy and Declaring the Kingdom of God on Earth and other such things. This was one of my favorite things to do. After taking Italy, I would try to make Europe stay Catholic as much as possible, and to convert other christian countries. Is such things like that still possible? And one of the most fun I had in EU3, was to take territory from countries, then release them as vassal after they where conquered, thus making a vassal "Archbishopric" country. (Such as a Archbishopric of Poland, under the Pope" To literally fufill the event to create a "Kingdom of God on Earth" Can I still take over all of Europe slowly, and make them all Bishop Vassals to My Holiness? I remember a dev diary about a limit on vassals now

Thank you.



PS, is the DLC $$$$$-grubbing very bad in this game or not

Regarding Muscovy, in 1444 (game start in EU IV) it starts in a much better position than in the 1399 EU III start.

Regarding the whole game, it is all EU III was and much more. Wait for a sale, if you are worried about its price counting the DLCs.

 

[Sindai]

Yes. It's a good game, and the DLC is no more "money-grubbing" than CK2, so if you had no problem with that you shouldn't have any problem with EU4.

 

[Alerias]

If you liked EU3 I'd say yes, its entirely worth it.

The DLC isn't mandatory at all. Most are fluff or such, important features so far were patched in for free. I guess Paradox is likely to someday release a compilation version with DLCs bundled in, but it's only worth waiting for if you have truly deep seated objections to piecemeal DLC, it could be years away.

For a EU3 fan, buy the base game for sure. Wait for a sale if you must but try it out. AoW is probably the first DLC that has some features I'd *really* miss if I only had the base game.

 

[Mabs]

Pdx above most publishers put "pointless stuff" in their DLC

COD etc DLC: gun + map packs
PDX: music, unit skins, etc.. nothing you NEED to play , just pure fluff

so dont worry too much, and yes it is worth it for immersion, unless like me you turn music off.. but nowhere near neccesary

 

[birincikalite]

EU4 is a better and richer game than EU3, and you can do everything you did in the previous games. Try it, or watch some let's plays, read some reviews, and make a decision. If you like the features added by the DLCs, get them. If you're not interested, don't. Paradox have been excellent with their support of the game, adding new features and fixing bugs for everyone in the community, whether they bought add-ons or not, so there's no plausible justification to suggest they're moneygrubbers.

Nah, your AI hordes(Golden Horde+Timurids) don't attempt world conquests in EU 4

 

[wheeler23]

Pdx above most publishers put "pointless stuff" in their DLC

COD etc DLC: gun + map packs
PDX: music, unit skins, etc.. nothing you NEED to play , just pure fluff

so dont worry too much, and yes it is worth it for immersion, unless like me you turn music off.. but nowhere near neccesary

What about Wealth of nations? Art of War? I don't worry about it at all, but I recognize that I spent about 100+$ buying all the CK2 game content DLCs (even ignoring the music/sprite pack ones). And EU4 will probably be the same.

I'd do it again, though. It really is a fun game, especially in multi (imo)

 

[Vordeo]

With regards to DLC...

I've only recently bought some, as they were on sale on Steam, but I haven't actually played a game with them on, and haven't even installed them. I'm waiting for the changes from the upcoming Art of War expansion to kick in before playing again, basically.

So I can say that I've enjoyed EU4 immensely without ANY DLC, and can wholeheartedly say that it isn't a DLC cash grab-type game.

In addition, PDX has been excellent about giving out a LOT of free stuff in the updates. For instance, Art of War looks to be their biggest expansion yet, and they've just released patch notes which are neatly divided into both free content and stuff you get if you pay for AoW. The list of free changes FAR outnumbers the paid for changes.

Overall, recommend the game strongly.

 

[balmung60]

What about Wealth of nations? Art of War? I don't worry about it at all, but I recognize that I spent about 100+$ buying all the CK2 game content DLCs (even ignoring the music/sprite pack ones). And EU4 will probably be the same.

I'd do it again, though. It really is a fun game, especially in multi (imo)

Conquest of Paradise is largely meaningless unless you want to play a North American tribe or a(n ex-)colonial nation.
Wealth of Nations is worthwhile for the trade companies and extra CBs
RP is worth it for National Focus
AoW is basically EU5.

Also, when AoW comes out, the other DLC will likely go on sale, and it will likely do so again during the Steam Holiday Sale, so consider picking it up at one of those times.

 

[Victor Cortez]

You only need to look at the patch notes of AoW.

 

[Viljainen]

If you loved EU3, you'll love EU4. You don't need any the DLC to have fun with this game.

 

[Alblaka]

EUIV is, in itself, a good game, but there'sa patch coming out soon, so you won't be able to play it for a week+ after that (as, since 1.5, Paradox has a history of introducing severe bugs with each patch and requiring a hotfix to make it playable again). As well, the current policy seems that they focus on adding new (sometimes unnecessary or simply bad-thought out) mechanics via pay-DLCs, instead of fixing older mechanics that direly need changes (f.e. naval combat).

In the end, it's your call whether you want to support Paradox. The game itself is worth the money, but I wouldn't buy it again at this point.

 

[uishax]

Just look at AOW, what developer is generous enough to release EU4.5 for free?

 

[zorkman]

EU4 is very enjoyable & a big improvement on EU3. My only disappointment is Paradox's refusal to go back to the earlier start, as that is the only DLC I would likely buy as the others don't interest me at all.

 

[hitchens]

Yes buy it.

It took me a long time to get over EU3...but everything is good now.