Is there a difference between counties and their economic potential?

[dav77-b]

Is there a difference between counties and their economic potential?

Is there any reason why Paris or Milan are better counties than some backwater village?

Edit: I am asking for game mechanics. Not historical reasons. I ask about the game ck3, not history.

 

[Darth.]

Because they're Paris and Milan? This is like asking why New York city is better than...idk Tulsa. Sure Tulsa could eventually in time grow to rival New York city as it is today, but that takes time and effort (and money), while NYC is gigantic and rich today (AKA game start).

 

[Sugary]

Paris is : A capital, on a major river, flat farmland. These bonuses together probably speed it's development along.
Isn't Northern italy in general full of cities at that time? They're probably influential in boosting the development of that region.

I'm hoping when we get trade routes it will make it more dynamic.

 

[Lord Tataraus]

Is there a difference between counties and their economic potential?

Is there any reason why Paris or Milan are better counties than some backwater village?

Are you asking about mechanics that make that true? If so, there are many things: buildings, number of holdings, terrain modifiers, and potentially the biggest is development which is a rating that will directly impact taxes and levies the county/holding provides. So Paris and Milan will start out with high development and probably will be grown enough to get even more development faster then some backwater. But, if you as the ruler put enough resources into some backwater you might be able to make it grow enough to compete.

 

[Olden Weiss]

There are two major factors:

1. Development level, which has to do with cultural innovations. They tend to resonate from high-to-low, meaning Paris is going to have high development, while that backwater village you mentioned is quite low, and any development it gets will literally be spreading from Paris itself.

2. Terrain. Some holdings have terrain that make them more fruitful than others or capable of supporting a wider variety of buildings, depending on their terrain. Duchy capitals additionally support duchy buildings, which provide bonuses to the entire duchy so long as you hold the capital.

 

[Razmorg]

People have mentioned a bunch of things but one thing missing is also the unique buildings which help to make very important places more powerful and even slightly steer how they can be played like how Notre-Dame gives stewardship per level of devotion.

 

[johnsd]

I would say the big differences would be the terrain of the baronies, starting development of the areas, and the counties having more holding slots than the average county.

 

[dav77-b]

I would say the big differences would be the terrain of the baronies, starting development of the areas, and the counties having more holding slots than the average county.

Are there still holding slots?

 

[dav77-b]

There are two major factors:

1. Development level, which has to do with cultural innovations. They tend to resonate from high-to-low, meaning Paris is going to have high development, while that backwater village you mentioned is quite low, and any development it gets will literally be spreading from Paris itself.

2. Terrain. Some holdings have terrain that make them more fruitful than others or capable of supporting a wider variety of buildings, depending on their terrain. Duchy capitals additionally support duchy buildings, which provide bonuses to the entire duchy so long as you hold the capital.

The development level is capped at 100. So any city starting high can only fall back (relatively).

 

[Karlington]

The development level is capped at 100. So any city starting high can only fall back (relatively).

Is there actually a county that starts at 100?

 

[Tuo]

Are there still holding slots?

Yes, they appear as unbuilt, empty baronies on the map, and not all counties have the same number of total baronies, built or unbuilt.

 

[Lord Tataraus]

The development level is capped at 100. So any city starting high can only fall back (relatively).

Dev Diary 26 stated that Baghdad has one of the highest starting development in the game and it was 22 (the context wasn't clear on which start date). I'm sure the actual value at release is tweaked since then, but it's probably not far off from that. I highly doubt even in 1066 any county is going to have over 50 starting development, maybe Constantinople.

 

[Karlington]

Dev Diary 26 stated that Baghdad has one of the highest starting development in the game and it was 22 (the context wasn't clear on which start date). I'm sure the actual value at release is tweaked since then, but it's probably not far off from that. I highly doubt even in 1066 any county is going to have over 50 starting development, maybe Constantinople.

This is great information, thanks! I would have hated for there to be maxed-out counties at game start. I want to have something to strive for.

 

[Riamus]

The video about domains commented some on development and said the development level is purposely very slow to increase with the desire of having you work toward the max level throughout your game rather that get to the max right away. If that is their goal, then it wouldn't make sense to have any counties in the game at max level at the start and I would be surprised to see any over 50/100.

 

[Lord Tataraus]

Went through the domains video from today and found these development numbers and dates:
Opole - 8 @ 1075
Gostynin - 6 @ 1075
Sandomierz - 10 @ 1075
Sasna - 6 @ 1075
Devon - 5 @ 878
Krakow - 12 @ 1076
Nysa - 8 @ 1076

Of course all of these are more backwaters than the likes of Paris or Baghdad, but still makes even the 22 of Baghdad at 876 seem much more developed and makes me think anything close to 50 at 1066 to be super developed.

 

[keoch319]

Because they're Paris and Milan? This is like asking why New York city is better than...idk Tulsa. Sure Tulsa could eventually in time grow to rival New York city as it is today, but that takes time and effort (and money), while NYC is gigantic and rich today (AKA game start).

twitches

 

[dav77-b]

Dev Diary 26 stated that Baghdad has one of the highest starting development in the game and it was 22 (the context wasn't clear on which start date). I'm sure the actual value at release is tweaked since then, but it's probably not far off from that. I highly doubt even in 1066 any county is going to have over 50 starting development, maybe Constantinople.

As far as I have seen 2 development = 1% buff on tax and levies
So Baghdad is 11% stronger than a village in Scotland with 0 development