Is the max amount of duchies you can hold without penalties moddable?

[Alerias]

I cant find anything relating to this in the files, so it may be hardcoded, but I find it slightly silly that I am Emperor and five times over King, but I can only have 2 duchies or everyone gets pissy. :wacko:

Its not a HUGE deal but ideally, I'd like to raise the limit a little. If at all possible, perhaps each kingdom should entitle you to a free duchy? Since this limit is a safeguard about abusing elective law, the larger your amount of kingdoms/empire, the lower the odds a large amount of duchies can make a difference.

This being said, for the time being, I'd be happy to just raise the limit by one or two for convenience's sake. Thanks if you know how to

 

[Evander]

in common/defines.lua you have these lines (21 to 23) :

	DEMESNE_BASE_MAX_SIZE = 1.0, -- Base Max Demesne Size
	DEMESNE_MAX_SIZE_TIER_MULT = 1.0, -- Extra Max Demesne Size from the ruler's rank
	DEMESNE_MAX_SIZE_STEWARDSHIP_MULT = 0.25, -- Extra Max Demesne Size from ruler and spouse intrigue

 

[drake000666]

Sounds to me like you want to be a god king a big part of this game is not having things under your control. You could have a good leader who can hold a lot of land one moment and have happy lords and the next thing you know he is died and some bad leader takes over and you got to hold off all your lords who now want to take over

But if you like it your way and it makes you happy power to you

 

[Alerias]

in common/defines.lua you have these lines (21 to 23) :

	DEMESNE_BASE_MAX_SIZE = 1.0, -- Base Max Demesne Size
	DEMESNE_MAX_SIZE_TIER_MULT = 1.0, -- Extra Max Demesne Size from the ruler's rank
	DEMESNE_MAX_SIZE_STEWARDSHIP_MULT = 0.25, -- Extra Max Demesne Size from ruler and spouse intrigue

Nope, thats for demesne size, not what i was looking for. But thank you, tho.

 

[Alerias]

Sounds to me like you want to be a god king a big part of this game is not having things under your control. You could have a good leader who can hold a lot of land one moment and have happy lords and the next thing you know he is died and some bad leader takes over and you got to hold off all your lords who now want to take over

But if you like it your way and it makes you happy power to you

Eh I just want things to make sense really. Capping duchies without capping Kingdoms makes very little. Right now, the player is actually penalized by creating more dukedoms while they should be a reward for doing well. If you create them, you HAVE to hand them away. NOT creating dukedoms become optimal strategy. That just feels.. wrong.

But either way, Im mostly just experimenting with how things work under the hood and was wondering if this specific aspect was hardcoded or not.

 

[Dotto1979]

I understand your point, but creating them doesn't come without benefits. You gain claims on de juri duchies. You hold half of it, create the duchy and have free CB on its other counties.

 

[Pyriel]

Eh I just want things to make sense really. Capping duchies without capping Kingdoms makes very little. Right now, the player is actually penalized by creating more dukedoms while they should be a reward for doing well. If you create them, you HAVE to hand them away. NOT creating dukedoms become optimal strategy. That just feels.. wrong.

But either way, Im mostly just experimenting with how things work under the hood and was wondering if this specific aspect was hardcoded or not.

Also, if you hold everything without giving away some.. succession wars can be a **tch

 

[brifbates]

Eh I just want things to make sense really. Capping duchies without capping Kingdoms makes very little.

Most king titles are de jure independent, nearly all duchy titles are de jure vassals. This is a pretty significant reason to not cap kingdoms as being forced to give away indepent kingdoms would be bad.

Additionally, for gameplay reasons, it is better to not allow kings to stockpile ducal titles.

 

[Overlord123]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...g-opinion-when-too-many-duchies-held-moddable

 

[Hamanu]

In HRE, when the emperor reclaimed the title of a failed dynasty, he was allowed to keep it for only a year, six weeks and three days. He could pass it on to his son(s) like Rudolf Habsburg did with Austria and Steiermark, or Charles IV with Brandenburg, but not keep it to himself.

This was law in HRE to prevent the emperor from accumulating power through escheat.

This did not exist in England or France though.

http://www.lexexakt.de/glossar/leihezwang.php

 

[Ruwaard]

In HRE, when the emperor reclaimed the title of a failed dynasty, he was allowed to keep it for only a year, six weeks and three days. He could pass it on to his son(s) like Rudolf Habsburg did with Austria and Steiermark, or Charles IV with Brandenburg, but not keep it to himself.

This was law in HRE to prevent the emperor from accumulating power through escheat.

This did not exist in England or France though.

http://www.lexexakt.de/glossar/leihezwang.php

Passing it to your son and thus keeping it in the dynasty did require some negotiations. Furthermore Rudolf of Habsburg wasn't able to grant everything to his sons, the duchy of Carinthia (and the margraviate of Carniola) were granted to the count of Tyrol and Gorizia (however the Habsburgs were made heirs to these lands, if his line failed).

Roman-German king Adolf of Nassau was a bit less successful, he had purchased the landgraviate of Thuringia, but he got in to trouble when he seized the margraviate of Meissen as an imperial fief, since though the Meissen branch of the house of Wettin went extinct, the main line didn't. Furthermore a few prince-electors weren't too happy about this, especially after he also added Meissen (he may have gotten away with 'just' Thuringia). In the end he was deposed and the house of Nassau failed to expand their dynastic base of power (Hausmacht) with Thuringia and Meissen.

 

[Zharradan]

Is it only 2 duchies? I seem to remember holding more without penalty...

 

[Bertouch]

I agree, the way it's handled seems counterintuitive. It appears to actually encourage a king to hold onto more duchies for their conversion into titles, to raise larger levies easier (without worrying about getting a noble vassal's regard up), and have a stronger tax base. Decentralize, give away that territory with its potential for more titles for the throne, those extra taxes, those higher levies, and what do you get...? Told by some noble you just gave a duchy to, "Yes, you gave me that land, but while I like you more for it, I also like you less because you made me a duke."

 

[drake000666]

Think they should have added a trait were a newly landed lord will be more loyal and loss likely to rebel because a newly landed lord will not be friends with the other lords and will want to keep you in power

 

[unmerged(418323)]

Bump! This is becoming very annoying, very fast. I've already given away half of my lands but I still have a -90 "too many held duchies" opinion modifier.

 

[Nitt the Mitt]

Bump! This is becoming very annoying, very fast. I've already given away half of my lands but I still have a -90 "too many held duchies" opinion modifier.

The limit is two duchies or bust.

 

[Alerias]

Yep, and while I can understand putting it in the game, I dont get why its not moddable. Theyve clearly not made either the opinion penalty or the maximum amount of duchies editable, and I hope its an oversight.

Personally Id highly favor a solution that scales with the size of your realm, or perhaps how many King-level titles you have. It makes sense for a normal realm to limit the ruler to so little, but once I'm stretching over a really epic amount of land, I dont want to be THIS constrained.

Perhaps in the next patch theyll kindly export the limit to defines and the opinion penalty to Opinion_modifiers. One can always hope.

 

[Nitt the Mitt]

I think you should get to hold one duchy per Kingdom. It makes sense you'll have some personal demense in the land you hold sway over. This way it doesn't effect the the elective succession, because you hold about the same amount of vote as the other dukes in the Kingdom.

 

[Goldor2005]

Just don't become king, simply create and keep all the duke titles you want as a duke, and enjoy!

 

[rjschie]

Just so people are aware, in the defines.lua file there is a place to change this. Open it up and search for MAX_DUCHIES_LEGALLY_HELD. Change it to whatever you like.