Is the Commonwealth OP?

[Hootieleece]

I think that Poland that creates the Commonwealth is OP. In my last several games......even playing WITHOUT lucky nations on it formed and by 1650 was an unstoppable monster. Largest Force Limit in game, Largest Manpower reserve, and almost unbeatable troops. (115% Discipline) and Equal Military Tech also WITHOUT Westernizing.

Since everyone is worried about the BBB in the next patch.......I think the Pink Blob of death deserves some love.........from the nerf bat.


Let's discuss the pro's and con's of a Commonwealth:

 

[Beagá]

Old problem to be honest.

Lithuania shouldn´t be Lucky.

 

[ragingrondo12]

Old problem to be honest.

Lithuania shouldn´t be Lucky.

Lithuania isn't Lucky though....

 

[MasterC00L10]

I really don't see why so many people on this forum seem to have a problem with certain countries being powerful. Guess what, the countries that are usually powerful in game are the ones that were historically in real life, hence their lucky nation status. That is generally all you see on this forum, "X nation is too powerful plz nerf!"

 

[Jephery]

It was one of the heavy weights of Eastern Europe during this time period, and its surrounded by potentially powerful rivals (Sweden, Russia, Ottomans, Hungary, Austria). In a lot of games it gets dogpiled and imploded by nationalist rebels.

 

[Beagá]

Lithuania isn't Lucky though....

Then it was changed because it was in several patches. Poland certainly is.

 

[grommile]

Lithuania is not naturally lucky.

However, if a meatbag takes one of the standard Lucky nations...

 

[Slayen]

Then it was changed because it was in several patches. Poland certainly is.

Just going through all the patch notes and the only change to lucky nations I could find was the addition of Poland and Brandenburg to the list in 1.8.

 

[stevieji]

Definitely overpowered since last patch - assuming union with Poland happens. As usual, this is marginal - probably needed buffing, but not quite this much - makes it very difficult for smaller states to make any headway in the east at the moment. Historical arguments are valid - Poland/Lithuania was stronk in the 15th century - but not in the 16th onwards - and unless you introduce severe events it's likely to stay stronk. In previous patches collapse was common due to lack of religious unity. Quite what has changed, I don't know, but seems to be too stable now, from the 'historical accuracy' point of view.
Not sure what this kind of debate can achieve, really. This kind of endless tinkering is never going to produce the holy grail of 'perfect balance', is it?

 

[Clownie]

Then it was changed because it was in several patches. Poland certainly is.

Lithuania has never, ever been a historical lucky nation. If you play with random lucky nations or annex a lucky nation, Lithuania is a likely runner-up because of good tech group and high BT.

 

[Hootieleece]

I have been playing with "Lucky Nations" OFF and finding that the Commonwealth is OP.(I have played about 10-15 games like this) All the Historically lucky nations seem to be strong even without their bonuses the only one that seems to fail is Muscovy.

But the thing in common in Most of the games is a strong BBB and Commonwealth that just blobs!

 

[smoo1979]

A lot of reports of AI Muscovy not doing too well since the last patch, It may need some sort of buff but what?

 

[ceteris.paribus]

If Commonwealth is so OP, where are all the screenshots for Ironman one tag WC's?

 

[Vivi_]

I don't get why people complain about historical major powers being major powers in game.

Quick reminder : it took several major powers to take it down in real life. Many times.
If PLC strenght bothers you that much, do the same thing in game.

Not forgot to mention, standing around 10 legitimacy while being a good target for a PU, is not an advantage. At all. Plus, rebels events, many neighbors, and better cavalry but worse infantry, making stacks weakers if they don't have enough time to recover infantry.

 

[Hootieleece]

These are the screenshots of the current Commonwealth in my gameI am Austria)






The problem is that because it chooses Humanist National Ideas it is TOO stable. And then it has Combat Bonuses in Every area, Some of which like +33 Cavalry Combat are the best in the game.

That is why I think Commonwealth is OP.

 

[Frozen Yakman]

Most of my games, Poland-Lithuania fractures into a bunch of states. It is easily the most fragile of the great powers.

 

[Frozen Yakman]

These are the screenshots of the current Commonwealth in my gameI am Austria)






The problem is that because it chooses Humanist National Ideas it is TOO stable. And then it has Combat Bonuses in Every area, Some of which like +33 Cavalry Combat are the best in the game.

That is why I think Commonwealth is OP.

So there you are with a much smaller Austria with a bigger army and you think the Commonwealth is OP?

 

[Citizen_Of_Yiff]

Only thing OP about Commonwealth is when they take Aristocratic ideas. Granted, it is one of their last ideas, but it will cost paper mana out the arse to destroy them when they do take it.

 

[Vivi_]

Your game clearly shows it's not OP. Look at how their neighbors failed.
I'm even surpised that PLC is this small. Sweden, Russia and Ottomans are not here to weaken them.

Huge nation : it was in real life.
Overpowered troops : 500 winged hussards crushed armies many times bigger than them. Polish are "born on horses". This is like saying "ho shit English fleet is OP I can't sink them", or "halp japanese infantry bangs me".

And as I said, zerg rush them and go postal on their stacks. Their cavalry gets a malus if they don't get enough infantry. Plus, IA is not very agressive and you probably get far better generals than they do due to a superior military tradition.

 

[Vainfall]

These are the screenshots of the current Commonwealth in my gameI am Austria)






The problem is that because it chooses Humanist National Ideas it is TOO stable. And then it has Combat Bonuses in Every area, Some of which like +33 Cavalry Combat are the best in the game.

That is why I think Commonwealth is OP.

So, an austria that has done nothing except let Austria's events fire, is stronger than a nation that has blobbed hard? And commonwealth is OP?