What are you afraid of? You are friggin Prussia that should kill everyone. Besides that you have France and Russia on your side, so it shouldnt even be a challenge.
If it was that way the Protestant side would be doomed to lose... I have yet to see a game where Protestants in Europe aren't crushed even now(though emperor still white peaces usually), with only the Ottomans doing some stuff and trying not to lose the war.Yes. Everyone claiming that the Ottomans fought in the Thirty Years War seem to be forgetting that they did so indirectly and through a Protestant proxy, the Princes of Transylvania Gabriel Bethlen and George I Rakoczi. Non-Christians should never be directly joining either Protestant or Catholic leagues, intervention should come about through alliances with the members or separate wars.
I've seen the Protestants win in games where I was the Ottomans... and was completely ignoring the Germans because conquering Germany is very inefficient with regard to province count.If it was that way the Protestant side would be doomed to lose... I have yet to see a game where Protestants in Europe aren't crushed even now(though emperor still white peaces usually), with only the Ottomans doing some stuff and trying not to lose the war.
This doesn't really work in the mechanics of EUIV though. Until that point I think joining is a fair abstraction.
From a historical perspective definitely not - the situation was more similar to no Ottoman interference at all than to full scale invasion of Austria by all Ottoman armies. Ottoman forces were tied up on other fronts during almost the entire duration of the Thirty Years' War, with the Safavids under Shah Abbas having launched devastating campaigns against the Ottoman eastern provinces in the years leading up to 1618. By 1620, there was war with Poland and then the murder of Osman II, sending the empire into crisis with the revolt of Abaza Mehmed Pasha, then then the resumption of the Persian wars in 1624. This lasted until 1639, and the few years of peace before the outbreak of war with Venice in 1645 were occupied with Cossack attacks and rebellion in Anatolia.
Really - the Ottomans did not intervene in the Thirty Years' War. Transylvania did in their capacity to act independently of Ottoman influence. Whether or not it's good for gameplay is another matter entirely, of course.
From a historical perspective definitely not - the situation was more similar to no Ottoman interference at all than to full scale invasion of Austria by all Ottoman armies. Ottoman forces were tied up on other fronts during almost the entire duration of the Thirty Years' War, with the Safavids under Shah Abbas having launched devastating campaigns against the Ottoman eastern provinces in the years leading up to 1618. By 1620, there was war with Poland and then the murder of Osman II, sending the empire into crisis with the revolt of Abaza Mehmed Pasha, then then the resumption of the Persian wars in 1624. This lasted until 1639, and the few years of peace before the outbreak of war with Venice in 1645 were occupied with Cossack attacks and rebellion in Anatolia.
Really - the Ottomans did not intervene in the Thirty Years' War. Transylvania did in their capacity to act independently of Ottoman influence. Whether or not it's good for gameplay is another matter entirely, of course.
was direct Ottoman involvement in the Thirty Years' War merely something that did not happen, or something that could not have happened even had there been no other major wars/internal conflicts distracting them?