Is Putting Artillery in Combat Batallions Historically Correct?

[Mister Analyst]

@PARAfel ,

The HOI4 wiki has a link to a 1939 Historical British Infantry Division. Check it out.

 

[Zauberelefant]

@PARAfel ,

The HOI4 wiki has a link to a 1939 Historical British Infantry Division. Check it out.

And yet again, this is probably not a correct division. Independent MG battalion is missing, the artillery regiment lacks two battalions, there is no AA included.

 

[Mister Analyst]

And yet again, this is probably not a correct division. Independent MG battalion is missing, the artillery regiment lacks two battalions, there is no AA included.

It would be appreciated if you would update the wiki. A note or footnote indicating that HOI4 is not granular enough to accomplish a true 1939 historical British infantry division and include the source that you got your information from. Otherwise, it is very likely to happen "yet again".

 

[Zauberelefant]

It would be appreciated if you would update the wiki. A note or footnote indicating that HOI4 is not granular enough to accomplish a true 1939 historical British infantry division and include the source that you got your information from. Otherwise, it is very likely to happen "yet again".

The whole section is based on a YouTube video. This is a contested topic, for many reasons, so I doubt that this will achieve anything but an edit war.

 

[PK_AZ]

Independent MG battalion is missing, the artillery regiment lacks two battalions, there is no AA included.

Artillery "battalion" in HoI4 have 36 guns, when historically standard was 12-gun battalion. In-Game battalion represent rather full artillery regiment than battalion, for reasons unknown.
Thats probably why there is only one ART on that orbat,

 

[xtfoster]

Artillery "battalion" in HoI4 have 36 guns, when historically standard was 12-gun battalion. In-Game battalion represent rather full artillery regiment than battalion, for reasons unknown.
Thats probably why there is only one ART on that orbat,

6-12 guns = 1 Battery (and this applied to any artillery, regardless of its use, so AA, AT, and Art)
3 Batteries = 1 Artillery Regiment (at least in the UK during WWII)
So yes, 1 "Battalion" in game = 1 Regiment in 1939 for the UK.

You have to remember that just because something was called something, doesn't mean that is what it equates to in game.

 

[Fulmen]

One way to look at an in-game ART battalion having 36 guns, is that it is in fact only 12 guns, and the other 24 represent ammunition, tractors and horses used to tow the guns, and other equipment necessary for their operation. This'd also be consistent with the amount of manpower an in-game ART battalion has, 500 men, which is close to what real-life ART battalions had.

 

[--Yigito123--]

One way to look at an in-game ART battalion having 36 guns, is that it is in fact only 12 guns, and the other 24 represent ammunition, tractors and horses used to tow the guns, and other equipment necessary for their operation. This'd also be consistent with the amount of manpower an in-game ART battalion has, 500 men, which is close to what real-life ART battalions had.

Yes, this could be it. Let's not forget that production is abstracted it HoI4; One "Artillery" equipment doesn't necessarily translate to one artillery piece, just like how one "Infantry Equipment" isn't just the guns on the picture.

 

[Zauberelefant]

Artillery "battalion" in HoI4 have 36 guns, when historically standard was 12-gun battalion. In-Game battalion represent rather full artillery regiment than battalion, for reasons unknown.
Thats probably why there is only one ART on that orbat,

There we go again...
Everything else is a battalion, the manpower is about OK for a battalion, guns also represent ammo. I hold that artillery Battalions are exactly that.