Is Primogeniture working properly?

[Lucian667]

According to the "succession_laws" text file, the opinion modifiers for Primogeniture are as follows....

succ_primogeniture = {
oldest_child_opinion = 10
youngest_child_opinion = -15
child_opinion = -10
dynasty_opinion = -5

Now my youngest child is definitely showing -15, my middle children -10 and other members of my dynasty -5, but my heir shows nothing at all, not +10 not anything at all to do with primogeniture opinion.

If I mod the file to make "oldest_child_opinion = 100" it makes absolutely no difference, my heir still shows no primogeniture opinion modifiers at all. Nothing.

So I have two questions....
1) Are other people seeing the same thing or is it just me?
2) Is this a bug or am I missing something obvious? My heir should be +10 opinion due to primogeniture law right?

 

[Asiak]

I haven't noticed but haven't been looking.

Is he a vassal, could that not change how he views succession, though I would imagine the being family opinions to take precedence.

Does he have any opinion modifiers related to succession at all?

 

[Lucian667]

He is indeed a landed vassal although as you pointed out, I wouldn't have thought that would affect the +10 primogeniture opinion since he still stands to inherit everything and you'd think that would make him slightly happy, landed vassal or not.

And no he doesn't have any opinion modifiers related to succession at all, nothing, that's why I thought it was strange. I was wondering if other people are seeing the same thing, for all I know it might just be me.

 

[GeorgieBest]

He is indeed a landed vassal although as you pointed out, I wouldn't have thought that would affect the +10 primogeniture opinion since he still stands to inherit everything and you'd think that would make him slightly happy, landed vassal or not.

And no he doesn't have any opinion modifiers related to succession at all, nothing, that's why I thought it was strange. I was wondering if other people are seeing the same thing, for all I know it might just be me.

I'm not sure if this is 100% correct, but I think characters need to be in your court to receive succession law opinion modifiers (other than elective type laws). Does he receive the +5 for same dynasty?

 

[Lucian667]

Yes he gets the +5 for same dynasty. And my half brother who is king of France (I'm King of England) shows the standard "Primogeniture Succession: -5" opinion modifier in his opinion of me that other dynasty members get as well as the +5 for same dynasty and he's definitely not in my court.

Has anyone ever seen that +10 "oldest_child_opinion" applied to their heir under ANY circumstances at all? If not then there may be a bug where its not being applied. As I said in the OP, you can mod that "oldest_child_opinion = 10" line to any number you want and it seems to make absolutely no difference at all, almost like its being ignored by the game.

 

[GeorgieBest]

Yes he gets the +5 for same dynasty. And my half brother who is king of France (I'm King of England) shows the standard "Primogeniture Succession: -5" opinion modifier in his opinion of me that other dynasty members get as well as the +5 for same dynasty and he's definitely not in my court.

Has anyone ever seen that +10 "oldest_child_opinion" applied to their heir under ANY circumstances at all? If not then there may be a bug where its not being applied. As I said in the OP, you can mod that "oldest_child_opinion = 10" line to any number you want and it seems to make absolutely no difference at all, almost like its being ignored by the game.

That's really strange. Maybe it is a bug?

I looked on the wiki, and I was completely wrong about succession laws only applying in your court. I'm not sure why you wouldn't get the oldest child +10. Did he have it before he was landed?

 

[Ciniod]

Try maybe adding a + before the opinion? Maybe that works.

 

[TercesAsit]

I checked my game (Ironman, no mods of any kind enabled) just now and my oldest living son shows +10 opinion for Primogeniture succession, he's not my heir though.

My eldest son died at 38, but he had a son (my grandson) who is my heir. He has no opinion (good or bad) regarding Primogeniture. Something seems wrong about the heirs opinion, it seems.

 

[Lucian667]

That's really strange. Maybe it is a bug?

I looked on the wiki, and I was completely wrong about succession laws only applying in your court. I'm not sure why you wouldn't get the oldest child +10. Did he have it before he was landed?

Unfortunately I cant remember if he had the +10 before he was landed, I didn't really notice the problem until long after, but as you correctly pointed out, primogeniture law opinion should really be applied no matter which court they're in. It most certainly is with any other relatives or dynasty members, just not your heir.

I checked my game (Ironman, no mods of any kind enabled) just now and my oldest living son shows +10 opinion for Primogeniture succession, he's not my heir though.

My eldest son died at 38, but he had a son (my grandson) who is my heir. He has no opinion (good or bad) regarding Primogeniture. Something seems wrong about the heirs opinion, it seems.

Ahh, well spotted! It seems there is indeed something wrong after all when a son who is not your heir gets the +10. Interestingly my eldest child is actually female. She doesn't get +10, she correctly gets -5 but perhaps if my eldest child were male (he is about the 4th oldest) he would get the +10?

So this really does seem to be a bug. The +10 should NOT be applied to your eldest child, it should be applied you your actual heir, whoever that may be. Please fix Paradox!

 

[General Karthos]

My modifiers look to be triggering correctly, however, my oldest (living) son does not have the +10. (He was third in line to inherit. The oldest brother was killed by a nightmare and his other older brother was the spawn of Satan, imprisoned and put to death (for plotting to murder his father) by his father [with a heavy heart].) Is it possible the opinion modifier only exists for the son who was supposed to inherit, while the other one in line sees it as it is (just a coincidence) that makes it so that he happens to inherit?

EDIT: Check that. I just loaded it up to check again. The oldest living son does have the +10 from Primogeniture suggestion, but the grandson (who stands to inherit everything) does not have a bonus OR a penalty related to the succession law.

This might be worth reporting on the bugs page.

 

[Lucian667]

Yes, Paradox needs to replace "oldest_child_opinion = 10" with something like...

"heir_opinion = 10"

Because very often your oldest child is NOT your heir. At the moment, that +10 is often being applied to the wrong person or to no person (if your eldest child is female).