I am thinking of starting a new game as something new, so I thought of trying Ming Celestial Empire for once.
Will it be fun or is it a boring country to play as?
Will it be fun or is it a boring country to play as?
Is playing as Ming from 1399 fun or boring?
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It takes a lot of effort to get Ming going, if you're into that it probably wont be boring. There will be times where you need to just speed five for years and years though...
I personally don't like Ming, Japan or Nomads so my answer is probably biased.
I personally don't like Ming, Japan or Nomads so my answer is probably biased.
Better to play Manchu, conquer them and use the decisions.
+66% forcelimits and cores on all China.
+66% forcelimits and cores on all China.
Ok thanks guys, I might give Ming a quick try to see how I like it, maybe I will find a way to make it fun!
Indeed the richest, most powerful and most isolated country in the game needs a lot of work!
As a fan of Chinese history I honestly think Ming is too frustrating to play. The country is just nerfed to hell. Case in point: in 1399, Ming's forcelimits are only marginally higher than England's, when at this time Ming had something like 20 times England's population and a manpower pool of several million men. That's the say nothing of the factions, which are both frustrating to manage and completely made up. I'd usually rather pick up Japan, Rajputana, or an Indonesia sultanate because you can pretty quickly eclipse Ming through conquest and good management.
In fact,and take decades to we change our faction ,I just need to choose if I will colonize hordes first,or declare war in My neigbours,and Ming seems to be much undeveloped
Indeed the richest, most powerful and most isolated country in the game needs a lot of work!
Needs work to be playable, is what I meant. I don't find the Celestial system fun at all, you'd have to aim towards Westernising and that does take a lot of work. Again, I am biased.
This is of course a highly subjective topic, but at least for me, Ming was quite fun to play. If you're willing to accept that 1) you have less control and 2) you spend the first decades on the highest speed setting, it's a nice change of play.
While a bit outdated, I have written an AAR on playing with the factions: Yin, Yang and the Ugly: A DW Ming AAR.
While a bit outdated, I have written an AAR on playing with the factions: Yin, Yang and the Ugly: A DW Ming AAR.
I remember reading your AAR when it first came out, very good read. Has Ming changed all that much that makes your strategy obsolete?
If you don't mind speed5/diplo vassalizing and using guarantees/sphere to get to war, it's alright. Guarantee Bengal day1, Orissa/Bihar usually dow it.