Is Japan playable now?

[Halaberiel]

I tried a few weeks ago and there was a game breaking bug with the westernization event (not the tech group westernization, something to do with western influences and converting you to Christianity). I didn't notice any changes to this in the most recent update, does anyone know?

EDIT: It was the decision "Enforce Sakoku Law" that wasn't working. Has anyone played Japan in the last week or so? Minor bugs I can cope with but this literally makes Japan unplayable.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I haven't seen anything to show that Sakoku law works now, meaning you'd probably have to scum it off each time you get it until you westernize.

 

[FloatingOrb]

Japan is still a mess. Playable, but I dont think to specs.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Japan is still a mess. Playable, but I dont think to specs.

Can you form it as non-Daimyo in anyway? It's possible to conquer it with nations like Ainu, then westernize, then form it to bypass the need for Sakoku law, but I'm not sure you can form it as a non-daimyo.

 

[Halaberiel]

I haven't seen anything to show that Sakoku law works now, meaning you'd probably have to scum it off each time you get it until you westernize.

How do you do that? I don't remember it too well because Japan was the 2nd game I ever played and I didn't know much about the game. However, wasn't the problem that all your country got a negative effect making it hard to convert their religion? There is no command that changes a counties religion to my knowledge. How can you get rid of the effect? Do you mean reloading every time it happens?

 

[VampireBoot]

The fact that Japan can declare war for vassal claims on daimyos is also a big problem, making certain (all?) daimyos unplayable and making it way too easy to unify Japan as the shogun.

 

[Less]

It seems to be a given that every DLC breaks japan until the next major bugfix patch.

 

[clockworkBabbag]

If you're not doing Ironman, it's possible to modify your save to change the modifiers/flags around after you take the Sakoku Law desicion. Just replace all occurrences of "western_trade" with "sakoku_law"

 

[Path]

How do you do that? I don't remember it too well because Japan was the 2nd game I ever played and I didn't know much about the game. However, wasn't the problem that all your country got a negative effect making it hard to convert their religion? There is no command that changes a counties religion to my knowledge. How can you get rid of the effect? Do you mean reloading every time it happens?

Pretty much. If you're playing IM you'll have to kill the client before it saves or use similar shenanigans to circumvent it, because there's no way to get rid of it once you get hit by it.

 

[Halaberiel]

If you're not doing Ironman, it's possible to modify your save to change the modifiers/flags around after you take the Sakoku Law desicion. Just replace all occurrences of "western_trade" with "sakoku_law"

Won't I have to do that every time I conquer a new province?

Pretty much. If you're playing IM you'll have to kill the client before it saves or use similar shenanigans to circumvent it, because there's no way to get rid of it once you get hit by it.

I just use setmissionaryprogress command but it gets really tiresome to be honest. Do you know if the effect leaves after westernising?

 

[slv]

The only way of playing Daimyo right now is playing without DLC till Japan is yours and enabling it only later. That way Shogun will not be able to press claims (since it's paid-only feature). And if you didn't buy AoW you don't have the problem at all

 

[Emapudapus]

I have found a way to fix Sakoku law (at least worked for me).

1. Search for folder JapaneseNation in your game instalation folder.
2. Find the line

# Sakoku
.....
effect ={
......
every_subject_country = {
.......

3.change
every_subject_country
into
every_country
4.save and exit
5.play game and profit

 

[unmerged(484926)]

I tried a game as a daimyo and some other daimyos rivaled me, but I wasn't allowed to rival them.

 

[Less]

I tried a game as a daimyo and some other daimyos rivaled me, but I wasn't allowed to rival them.

I noticed this too.

So in summary, at least three bugs:

1. AI Daimyos can rival other nations while players cannot (despite the UI telling them that they should choose a rival).
2. Japan is able to DoW on behalf of their own vassal's claims against other vassals, invariably doing so if AI.
3. Sakoku Law messed up.

I understand that Japan is a special nation in regards to many mechanics which the Daimyo system breaks and is therefor fragile with regards to new mechanic changes, but Paradox should really have some kind of special specific step in their testing process for Japan. 2 out of 3 of these are immediately obvious upon starting a new game, and several bugs with earlier versions were the same.

 

[Halaberiel]

I have found a way to fix Sakoku law (at least worked for me).

1. Search for folder JapaneseNation in your game instalation folder.
2. Find the line

# Sakoku
.....
effect ={
......
every_subject_country = {
.......

3.change
every_subject_country
into
every_country
4.save and exit
5.play game and profit

Thanks will try this

 

[clockworkBabbag]

Won't I have to do that every time I conquer a new province?

What? No. Why would you have to do that? Western Trade/Sakoku Law are country modifiers, not province ones. The decision still applies all the correct flags, it just doesn't change the country modifiers for Japan itself. You shouldn't be getting any more conversion events after editing the save file. My Japan game worked perfectly after I made those changes.

Alternatively, as was stated elsewhere in the thread, you can mod the decision to accurately apply Sakoku Law. Depends on what's more convenient for you.