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No it is not time yet for CK3. However, it is time for...

Rome II
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That's a fair trade-off in most people's view I think. The big issues were people having to upgrade substantially to continue playing newer versions of CK2; a game they had already paid for and supported for years. There was also the issue that many people suspected that the minimum requirements listed were inaccurate.

It's also the case that the engine is generally seen as working beyond capacity, the 32bit code can't effectively handle the amount of information a 64 bit engine can, so you get poor performance regardless of spec.

As to whether they should put it to bed - I think Conclave's poor showing answers that.
 

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I would say it's not time for CK3 yet.

However, it's time that CK2 gets polished with its current (sad) state to a good final version, and devs move on to do something else, and then come back a few years later with a good and clear vision for CK3.
 
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Considering that the latest Dev Diary features a(n) (almost) new Dev team with a new team head. I would say that they still have quite a few plans for this game, but only time will tell.
 

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So It was complete by 2.04 then?
Empires are stable unless they look like this
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Did you also not buy HL because of werewolves?

I'll state the obvious. Horse Lords has a lot of things other than werewolves. SI is just an aztec invasion.

In any event, SI is the poster child for 'DLC are optional'
 

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nope spent to much on dlc to move on
 

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I'll state the obvious. Horse Lords has a lot of things other than werewolves. SI is just an aztec invasion.

In any event, SI is the poster child for 'DLC are optional'

Did Sunset Invasion come with a patch that altered core mechanics, though?

AFAIK SI is just SI, turn it off and you'd never know the devs created it.
 
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I think the time draws near for bookend on CK 2. Would be nice if they fixed those lingering issues, that just keep lingering, and of course I'd like to see real blob breaking stuff (not stuff that does nothing to break blobs and are a tad annoying). We know there's at least one small DLC in the pipeline. I hope it's an event/ flavour/ rebalance DLC that adds to the RP and makes empires internally less stable. I'd like to see factions reworked as an example. And there really need to be things to do during peace time, especially since you're forced to be at Peace more often now.

But other than some small adjustments, I'd say it's time for CK 2 to be completed.

Regardeing CK 3, I feel Vicky 3 and Rome 2 need to come first.
 
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