Is it still possible to make characters take holy vows?

[Mithradates]

This is a question that's been on my mind for quite some time. Ok so, in the screenshot below, this is my character's mother/regent. Since my previous character just died, I've been getting bombarded with annoying requests to arrange marriages for her. I thought maybe if I made her take vows, I'd stop getting those requests. Admittedly I thought it was a long shot, since she's my mother and, perhaps more importantly, my regent and thus the one who has the real power right now. Still, I thought I'd check. The option isn't even, like, on the menu but grayed out or anything. But ok, maybe it's just because of the particular circumstances; you probably can't make your regent take vows.

Thing is, though, I haven't had that option for ANYONE in ANY circumstances in months and months (real-world time, not in-game time). A while back, several generations ago in my current game, I had one of my daughters in my dungeon and I thought I might make her take holy vows. Again, option wasn't there. You're supposed to be able to do that to characters in your dungeon, right? I didn't have the option. I haven't had the option to make anyone take vows in a very long time.

So I'm wondering, was this option removed? If so, when exactly? It doesn't seem like it, because I see other players who seem to talk about it now and then as if they can and do use it. Do I have to be a member of a particular religious society? Most of my characters in this playthrough have been in the Dominican Order and I could never do it. I haven't tried Benedictine; I've been using the Dominicans to battle heresy. Is it necessary to be in the Benedictines to do it? It doesn't say so on the wiki. I do, obviously, have Sons of Abraham active.

I DID have the option before, months ago. I used it several times. But then suddenly I haven't been able to do it in a long while. What am I missing?

 

[Blackwhitecavias]

from the wiki:

With the Sons of Abraham DLC, followers of monastic religions may order unlanded courtiers to take the vows. This most commonly done in order to disinherit a family member or select a successor for an Open elective vassal theocracy.

The requester must:

• Follow a monastic religion: Christian, Indian, Manichean, or any religion with the "Monasticism" or "Totem-Guardians" doctrine.
• Be an adult
• Not have a regent.

The target character must an adult courtier of your religion, and either:

• Unmarried and not heir to any title
• In your prison
• Same dynasty and you both have a bloodline with the feature "Characters of this bloodline more readily take vows"

So your issues are most likely that you have a regent and are not an adult.

 

[Mithradates]

Ok, I see that the wiki confirms my theory that I couldn't do it to a regent (I've read the wiki before, but forgotten that aspect). But it still doesn't explain why I don't have the option under any other circumstances, when I have adult characters and I want to make other characters take vows. The wiki says I can make a character in my prison take vows, but I said in my original post that, earlier in my playthrough, I had a daughter in my dungeon whom I wanted to order to take vows and I did not have the option. What's the explanation for that? The wiki doesn't seem to have the answer to my problem. I haven't been able to make any character do this in quite a long time even when such characters meet all the criteria listed in that wiki. Either there's some bug at work, or I need to be a member of the Benedictine Order or something like that and the wiki just doesn't clarify that for some reason, or the option has been removed altogether and nobody but me seems to have noticed. I'm using all the DLC except for Legacy of Rome and Sunset Invasion. But I simply no longer have the option to make any character take vows under any circumstances.

 

[TheRealRemus]

The requester must:

• Be an adult
• Not have a regent.

isnt that the answere?
In your Screenshot you were a child, thus not an adult and had a regent.
if you are adult and stil cant do it perhaps your targets are not you courtiers?

 

[Mithradates]

I saw that and acknowledged it. Yes, the bit about not being an adult and having a regent explains this particular instance. But my question is wider than that; I've been having this problem for months. The wiki doesn't explain why I haven't been able to make other characters take vows under any circumstances whatsoever. For instance, a while back I had my daughter in my dungeon and couldn't make her take vows. And yes, she was my courtier. That's only one example although it's the one that comes readily to mind because I made a mental note of it at the time. But I haven't been able to make ANY characters take vows under ANY circumstances in many months.

 

[Blackwhitecavias]

I just loaded up the current beta as the emperor of the HRE in 1066 and was able to order one of my daughters to take the vows after cheating some piety (you need 50).

 

[DPS]

I just loaded up the current beta as the emperor of the HRE in 1066 and was able to order one of my daughters to take the vows after cheating some piety (you need 50).

I think need to spend 50 piety to order someone to take the vows was added with Holy Fury (or at least I didn't notice it earlier). You might not have enough piety.

 

[Mithradates]

Ok, well, let's experiment. As you can see, my character is no longer a child, I'm not under a regency anymore. So, here's a randomly selected courtier in my court. Note in the first screenshot that he's Catholic and unmarried. He's not an heir to a title. Note also that I have 2,245 piety (seriously, when do you ever have less than 50 piety? That's nothing, you almost always have more than that without even trying).

Now look at the second screenshot beneath the first. Notice the complete absence of any option to tell him to take holy vows. There is an option to send him to one of the Christian military orders, but not to make him become a monk. Before anyone points out that the menu is incomplete, I already scrolled it and the only thing not visible in the screenshot is "assemble mercenary company".

So, does anyone have an explanation as to why this option is not available in the menu?

 

[Castimirr]

Is it being replaced by "Send to Holy Order"?

 

[A_Dane]

I'm quite certain I've been able to make people take vows as late as a couple of days ago, will check once I get home

 

[Mithradates]

Is it being replaced by "Send to Holy Order"?

I certainly hope not, because if so that means I can't make female courtiers/family members take vows anymore. You can only send men to a holy order. Sometimes you need to make a woman become a nun in order to disinherit her.

 

[Mithradates]

I'm quite certain I've been able to make people take vows as late as a couple of days ago, will check once I get home

What was your finding?

 

[TheRealRemus]

well I am able to send People away to the monastery, without a Problem.
the only restriction I found was that I cant send away heirs to titles.

 

[Mithradates]

well I am able to send People away to the monastery, without a Problem.
the only restriction I found was that I cant send away heirs to titles.

Have you done it recently?

If you scroll up a little, you'll see that I made a post with screenshots showing an example of a character who is not an heir to a title and yet whom I could not send to a monastery. His grandfather is a duke of somewhere in Spain, but his parents hold no titles and he is not heir to anything; I made certain of it before posting.

 

[Patriarch of Bub]

Since HF when you have suitable character to take the vows, he or she will leave your court for a bishopric in your realm.
I'm playing a Manichean game, and they have the option to do so.
For catholics the decision is exchanged with sending to a holy order if they have formed, which more or less has the same effect. For women i think the old option stand.

 

[TheRealRemus]

so I just launched my game and I can do both, send men to holy orders or force them to take the vows. woman can take them too.
Free folk as imprisoned courtiers.

Spoiler

So I have no clue why you should not be able to do it. Are you using any mods?
Its worth a try to report it as a bug and add a save file so that someone can look into it.

 

[A_Dane]

What was your finding?

Oh sorry, completely forgot.

I can still do it. Forced my oldest son and heir (well technically, it was my wife's bastard offspring with a german mercenary, which is why he was sent off to church). So if you can do it to him, you should be able to do it to anyone. Granted he was in prison, but I've done it to younger sons/brothers too.

 

[Urist_McDorf]

Checked the code. For the decision to show up:

You need to not have a regent, not be a prisoner, be an adult, have the Sons of Abraham DLC and either have the reformation religion doctrine Monastic (or the unique West African) or, without having an alternate start, be either christian, hindu, buddhist, jain or manichean.

The target needs to be adult, not a ruler, have the same religion as you, be in your court and not have any of these traits: incapable, monk, nun, muni, aryika, bhikkhu, bhikkhuni, sanyasi, sanyasini.

I suspect it's the alternate start thing. Any kind of alternate start will break the presets and will force you to rely on reformation features (which are assigned on, well, reformation, or are assigned when generating random religions for a world).

 

[Mithradates]

Checked the code. For the decision to show up:

You need to not have a regent, not be a prisoner, be an adult, have the Sons of Abraham DLC and either have the reformation religion doctrine Monastic (or the unique West African) or, without having an alternate start, be either christian, hindu, buddhist, jain or manichean.

The target needs to be adult, not a ruler, have the same religion as you, be in your court and not have any of these traits: incapable, monk, nun, muni, aryika, bhikkhu, bhikkhuni, sanyasi, sanyasini.

I suspect it's the alternate start thing. Any kind of alternate start will break the presets and will force you to rely on reformation features (which are assigned on, well, reformation, or are assigned when generating random religions for a world).

I think you're right, maybe the alternate start is the reason. I'm using shattered world. I don't have any mods active (the only mod I own is the Game of Thrones one, which of course I'm not using here). I meet all the listed criteria. The only thing that fits is the alternate start. That sounds like it makes sense.

 

[Lord Hoosier]

You would game over, as you become celibate and can't have children. Some societies allow you to become celibate, to prevent having too many children. You can be a lay member of an order, but not a full religious.