Is it proper for a materialist empire to be known as "Holy"?

[ふるかわ＿かずは]

As Imperial Fiefdom, the overlord empire will always be "Holy [origin_imperial_species.GetAdj] Empire" and have materialist ethic:

 

[Oculument]

Yes. Name inspired by the "Holy Roman Empire" which was neither Holy nor Roman.

 

[Mímisbrunnr]

Yes. Name inspired by the "Holy Roman Empire" which was neither Holy nor Roman.

Exactly. Its a HRE reference, which Voltaire famously quipped was by that point "not holy, not Roman, and not an empire."

 

[great lakes]

In this context, I would contend the answer is no. yes, it's a HRE joke, and i do love to poke fun at what I call the secular german alliance. that said, the HRE was a far cry from stellaris's Materialists. after all, Marten Luther's trial at the diet of Worms was for Heresy. it certainly doesn't read as an HRE joke to me. I would prefer that the imperial overlord used normal empire names.

 

[TimeMask]

Eh I prefer Indolent Overlord's name to be recognizable because its easy to lose track of it when they balkanize. So HRE reference is perfect for that

 

[Mímisbrunnr]

Eh I prefer Indolent Overlord's name to be recognizable because its easy to lose track of it when they balkanize. So HRE reference is perfect for that

That is a very good point I had overlooked. Making it so distinctive like that definitely helps.

 

[TheForsakeen]

There was a post about this a while back, it might also be a reference to asimov's foundation novel where a supermaterialist empire pose as holy to overawe their backward vassals.

 

[HFY]

Eh I prefer Indolent Overlord's name to be recognizable because its easy to lose track of it when they balkanize. So HRE reference is perfect for that

Is it distinct?

I think there are other "Holy ________" empires in the game.

 

[Mímisbrunnr]

Is it distinct?

I think there are other "Holy ________" empires in the game.

Yes, but they're the only Holy ____ Empire in the region of the Indolent Overlord's old territory pre-civil war.

 

[Nevars]

Sure, why not?

Materialist can be even more dogmatic than some religion.

And I viewed materialism as it presents in Stellaris as a cult anyway so the holy title fitted.

 

[Lorenerd11]

I think "Holy" should be changed to "Divine".

Close enough to be a vague HRE reference, while somewhat reducing the stark contrast between the name an ethics. You could still argue it is hardly divine, whereas from the materialist overlord's point of view, they "divine" knowledge from scientific insights.

 

[klopkr]

I don't mind that the holy empire isn't spiritualist I just think making them always materialist is dumb. Why don't they just have random ethics + xenophile anyways?

 

[MrReaper182]

Yes. Name inspired by the "Holy Roman Empire" which was neither Holy nor Roman.

For long periods of its time the Holy Roman Empire was holy as it was started off as a empire to put the the faith of one god back to Europe, was an Empire and saw its self as the the second Rome. Your going off what the empire became in it's twilight years before Napoleon killed it off for good.

 

[MrReaper182]

Alien species empires should have more alien sounding empire names and not use one that are from Earth.

 

[InvisibleBison]

There's nothing about materialism that precludes a materialist nation from also being religious. And there's certainly nothing about materialism that precludes a materialist nation from having been religious at some point in the past and still keeping the old name even though it's no longer actually accurate.

 

[Oculument]

.... what the empire became in it's twilight years before Napoleon killed it off for good.

The in-game situation is the twilight years of a dying empire.

 

[Meneye]

It's not just the name, the whole setup is based around the Holy Roman Empire. The vassals even have names like palatinate and league.

Actually, the AI subjects all reappear with the same ethics and civics too, https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Empire#Imperial_Fiefdom_empires

I really like this, it makes the whole origin feel more distinct and personal compared to general randomness of the rest of the spawned empires.

 

[Lorenerd11]

It's not just the name, the whole setup is based around the Holy Roman Empire. The vassals even have names like palatinate and league.

Actually, the AI subjects all reappear with the same ethics and civics too, https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Empire#Imperial_Fiefdom_empires

I really like this, it makes the whole origin feel more distinct and personal compared to general randomness of the rest of the spawned empires.

Personally I'd rather an option for the other vassals to be random, or to set them ourselves. Same for the Overlord.

 

[Pancakelord]

As Imperial Fiefdom, the overlord empire will always be "Holy [origin_imperial_species.GetAdj] Empire" and have materialist ethic:

Whilst, as others have said, this seems to be a dig at the HRE, there is a similar issue that can arise with normal empires; when they shift ethics [or have them forcibly shifted via losing a liberation war], they don't always (ever?) rename themselves automatically in vanilla.

 

[TranscendentalDragon]

Whilst, as others have said, this seems to be a dig at the HRE, there is a similar issue that can arise with normal empires; when they shift ethics [or have them forcibly shifted via losing a liberation war], they don't always (ever?) rename themselves automatically in vanilla.

One empire in my game was called "Imperium of [capital]" then they first lost their capital to rebellion, then lost a liberation war to Peaceful Traders Megacorp.