Is it possible to cross the Bosphorus peacefully?

[sekelsenmat]

Does anyone know if I use some spies to put diplomatic pressure they will let me get Military Access and if that would allow me to cross?

I am playing as Romania and would like to use my fleet for something useful. Or am I stuck unless I conquer Turkey?

 

[dasaard200]

You can trade through Istanbul, but anything else kicks off a war with Turkey ... they're really paranoid about Istanbul [and its cash-flow] .

 

[squid_hills]

You can get military access through the Bosphorous by allying with Turkey. Of course, as Romania, by the time WT is high enough for Turkey to be looking to ally with people, you will probably be busy fighting off the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, or the German invasion of Poland, or the Italian invasion of Greece, or the Russian invasion of Romania, which makes allying with anybody not already at war with those guys difficult. The few times I've played Romania I've used their navy to dominate the Black Sea (and to facilitate naval invasions of northern Turkey and/or Russia). Mostly they just end up stacking naval mines for the Russian fleet to collide with.

 

[Secret Master]

I've seen Germany get military access through Turkey a number of times. Not useful for invasions as such (can't invade enemy provinces using military access), but you sure as Hell can move enough supplies for the entire panzer arm through Turkey.

What's that, Allies? No move convoys to raid in the Med?

 

[DystopianAlphaOmega]

You should be able to, especially when also adding in improving opinion.

Military access through Turkey does allow your military forces to cross the straits. Small aside, but as UK you can do the align Turkey to get military access through the straits and use it to naval invade right onto Germany’s oil supply in Romania. Nifty little tactic for MP games which allow it.

 

[kettyo]

I've seen Germany get military access through Turkey a number of times. Not useful for invasions as such (can't invade enemy provinces using military access), but you sure as Hell can move enough supplies for the entire panzer arm through Turkey.

Germany has a focus to befriend Turkey, this makes Turkey instantly accept to give military access so the Germans can supply the Middle East through Turkey happily.

Also sometime much later Turkey might join the Axis.

 

[Secret Master]

Germany has a focus to befriend Turkey, this makes Turkey instantly accept to give military access so the Germans can supply the Middle East through Turkey happily.

Also sometime much later Turkey might join the Axis.

Yes, although long experience with the Ally Turkey and Ally Spain focuses makes me want to remind everyone in the thread that the AI sometimes makes insane decisions.

Ask me about the times Franco chose enter the Axis immediately, versus the times he chose to not join the Axis immediately upon Germany completing the same focus with no rhyme or reason.

(I was literally talking to an ally in MP the other day about the odd AI behavior surrounding these focuses. He game me a "Well, obviously, it's HOI4 AI. What did you expect?" look.)

 

[walt526]

Germany has a focus to befriend Turkey, this makes Turkey instantly accept to give military access so the Germans can supply the Middle East through Turkey happily.

Also sometime much later Turkey might join the Axis.

Note that the prereq for the Puppet Turkey focus is USSR Alliance, which takes it off the table for quasi-historical runs. Also, sometimes Turkey will resist and you'll wind up with just a war goal rather than a puppet. Conquering Turkey by force, while certainly doable, is kind of a pain in the ass because of the terrain.

Also, a neutral Turkey will allow a land route from the Middle East to import oil, so there's no need to conquer/puppet it if that's the concern.

If control of the Bosphorus is essential for some reason, then you're better off deploying your ships to/from the Black Sea before the onset of war.

 

[kettyo]

Note that the prereq for the Puppet Turkey focus is USSR Alliance, which takes it off the table for quasi-historical runs. Also, sometimes Turkey will resist and you'll wind up with just a war goal rather than a puppet. Conquering Turkey by force, while certainly doable, is kind of a pain in the ass because of the terrain.

Also, a neutral Turkey will allow a land route from the Middle East to import oil, so there's no need to conquer/puppet it if that's the concern.

If control of the Bosphorus is essential for some reason, then you're better off deploying your ships to/from the Black Sea before the onset of war.

I've talked about Befriend Turkey not Puppet Turkey which is indeed in the Berlin-Moscow Axis path so it's very rarely used.

 

[walt526]

I've talked about Befriend Turkey not Puppet Turkey which is indeed in the Berlin-Moscow Axis path so it's very rarely used.

My mistake. You are indeed correct. Misread your comment.

 

[kettyo]

Yes, although long experience with the Ally Turkey and Ally Spain focuses makes me want to remind everyone in the thread that the AI sometimes makes insane decisions.

Ask me about the times Franco chose enter the Axis immediately, versus the times he chose to not join the Axis immediately upon Germany completing the same focus with no rhyme or reason.

(I was literally talking to an ally in MP the other day about the odd AI behavior surrounding these focuses. He game me a "Well, obviously, it's HOI4 AI. What did you expect?" look.)

I've experienced Turkey always joining the war when they eventually switch to fascism but it takes a long time and most games are decided by then already.

Although i've seen an AI only run when WW2 turned into an attrition hell and Turkey joined in the late fourties i think. The Allies were so depleted by then that Turkey essentially conquered the whole of Africa.

It can be funny though if Britain uses their own pressure Turkey focus too as this means both Germany and Britain will be able to send supplies through and also can use the Bosporus so Turkey is hardly an autonomous state anymore in this case.

 

[DystopianAlphaOmega]

I've experienced Turkey always joining the war when they eventually switch to fascism but it takes a long time and most games are decided by then already.

Although i've seen an AI only run when WW2 turned into an attrition hell and Turkey joined in the late fourties i think. The Allies were so depleted by then that Turkey essentially conquered the whole of Africa.

It can be funny though if Britain uses their own pressure Turkey focus too as this means both Germany and Britain will be able to send supplies through and also can use the Bosporus so Turkey is hardly an autonomous state anymore in this case.

Still autonomous, especially if using its discretion as a sovereign nation to treat both sides equally (even more so than if caves to just one arguably).

 

[kettyo]

Still autonomous, especially if using its discretion as a sovereign nation to treat both sides equally (even more so than if caves to just one arguably).

Maybe you're right, especially if they demand all sides to mask their supply convoys as humanitarian aid or something