Is it ok to use free market economies now?

[Hardcore_gamer]

In vanilla V2 I remember the capitalist AI being so bad that using a free market economy where only capitalists can build factories wasn't worth it. Has this changed in AHD? Is it actually possible to leave the economy to the capitalists now and have an economy that is good or even great?

 

[Derp]

L-F was/is not that bad in vanilla V2, particularly in the recent patches. Capitalists are a lot smarter about what they do.

In AHD it's probably even more competitive due to costs apparently being much steeper for increasing state control over factories.

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

Indeed. In relative terms, LF is much better in AHD. Capitalists still make some mistakes of course, but nowhere near as many and an LF goverment can often have the highest industrial score.

 

[siis]

Indeed. In relative terms, LF is much better in AHD. Capitalists still make some mistakes of course, but nowhere near as many and an LF goverment can often have the highest industrial score.

The downside is, you can't invenst in other countries to get more influence?!

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

The downside is, you can't invenst in other countries to get more influence?!

Yup, that is a downside. also, you (obviously) can't decide which factories you have, but the NF to encourage industry types will work better now. It really depends exactly what you wish to do at a given point in the game. I wouldn't recommend LF until you have some industry already built.

 

[Johan]

I try to get an L/F government in power when I play... Its just worth so much the benefits you get from the capitalists.

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

I try to get an L/F government in power when I play... Its just worth so much the benefits you get from the capitalists.

For my style of gameplay, the major drawback is not economical, in fact if I want to focus on economic development I go LF. But liberal parties tend to be anti-military, so I have less soldiers. NF usually compensates, but of course this means you can't use them elsewhere. It's all about strategising...

 

[GAGA Extrem]

The big change is that you can now finance their projects, so the early problem about "kickstarting" the economy are gone.

Considering factory construction, it is still better to cherrypick the ones you want in the state and switch to L-F afterwards.
But at least you can now cancel factories that are being constructed, so if your capis build a bad factory, you can srap it instantly.

That said, L-F is definately a valuable thing now and much, much better than in vanilla.

I try to get an L/F government in power when I play... Its just worth so much the benefits you get from the capitalists.

What are the actual benefits in AHD? Can you elaborate a bit?

 

[Johan]

What are the actual benefits in AHD? Can you elaborate a bit?

Factories running under L/F are a tad bit more profitable..

+25% output efficiency is HUGE! especially when most techs affect throughput instead.

 

[Lt. Meyer]

Good to hear about LF, I prefer the capitalists to make the mistakes instead of me ;-)

 

[delra]

I think interventionists and liberals are fairly balanced now. As interventionist you can close crappy factories, invest in better ones, redirect workforce, subsidize cool factories through a crisis, set hiring priorities, that kind of control gives you enough advantage to make up for smaller output of liberal economies.

If intervention party has jingo, I'd rather not go for liberals too early.

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Factories running under L/F are a tad bit more profitable..

+25% output efficiency is HUGE! especially when most techs affect throughput instead.

Okay, that IS massive.

edit: One big downside is lack of foreign investment, though.

 

[Darkrenown]

Pfft. State capitalism all the way!

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

Pfft. State capitalism all the way!

Planned Economy FTW.

 

[Wallienator]

Unciv factories to beat them all.

 

[Arathian]

Pfft. State capitalism all the way!

see people?

This dude's smart.

 

[Darkrenown]

Planned Economy FTW.

I like to invest in pop projects on occasion

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

I like to invest in pop projects on occasion

I like to tax the hell out of the rich to build loads of basic and armaments factories! Then I go looking for land...

 

[AlknicTeos]

State capitalism is still awesome, but to build up an industrial base imho it's wise to invest in pop projects. And then sometimes switch to State capitalism to build up a liquor industry, a electric-parts economy, a synthetic-oil/fuel economy and radios. After LF hardly can do anything wrong - And I really like it to upgrade all industries with shift click ( note : is extremely expensive and need lots of machine parts and cement )

 

[GAGA Extrem]

I prefer state cap to start my economy and switch to L-F or interventionism once it is running.